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Old 03-01-2016, 09:55 PM
 
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Incorrect. You only need a MAJORITY of delegates. Has nothing to do with the percentage that he wins. They sure can change it. But what do you think the result will be if they do? Either they sink his candidacy like you believe they will or he sinks theirs. In either instance the Republicans lose.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/prod-static..._S14090314.pdf
Incorrect. Trump has to win the majority in at least 8 states, not total delegate majority. It was 5 but they changed it to 8 two years ago.

b) Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of eight (8) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination.
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Old 03-01-2016, 09:59 PM
 
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Incorrect. Trump has to win the majority in at least 8 states, not total delegate majority.

b) Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of eight (8) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination.
Incorrect. But keep on with your little fantasy as Trump continues to cream your candidates over and over. Makes it more likely the GOP will blow yet another election .
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Old 03-01-2016, 10:03 PM
 
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They can't use it anymore. Drumpf has won 10 states. Likely he will end up winning several more as the months go on as well. They could do as you said, but it would guarantee Drumpf running as a 3rd party candidate and sinking them as well. Either which way the Republicans have dug themselves into a hole this election.
They have to use it or vote to change it, that's why they call it a rule. Even though Trump's won 10 states, he's only won a majority of delegates in 1 state. South Carolina appears to have been his high-water mark; even with cheerleaders Sessions and Christie, he couldn't even muster a majority win in Alabama.
If Trump doesn't win a majority of delegates in 7 more states, he won't win the nomination on the first ballot unless the RNC rewrites the rule.
If it goes to a 2nd ballot, then all Trump's delegates are released so it's a whole new ballgame.

The only way I see Trump winning a majority in 7 more states is if either Rubio or Cruz drops out. Even then Kasich might be enough of a spoiler to block majority votes.

So the RNC will have a big problem on their hands if Trump delivers a plurality of most states but a majority in fewer than 8 states. They'll either have to rewrite the rules to give him a 1st ballot win, in which case the voting populace in general will think they caved. Or they can follow their existing rules, deny Trump the automatic win, and hack off his supporters.
It'll be a lose-lose for them, and Ron Paul supporters will love every minute.
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Old 03-01-2016, 10:08 PM
 
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As I've said, it appears the GOP would rather throw the selection to Hillary and try again in 4 years then have a racist, sexist fraud like Trump destroy their party. If they don't use Rule 40, they will get someone well known to run 3rd party to take votes from Trump in the general and he will lose badly to Hillary. Keep dreaming if you think Trump is getting anywhere near the WH.
If Trump continues to win most of the primaries they will give him the nomination.....if they didn't they would destroy the party not Trump.If they ignore the will of the vast majority of their own voters they may as well just give Hillary the Republican nomination too,NO Republican would have a chance in that scenerio....Someone nominated that way wouldn't get a majority of the Republican vote!


Who are they going to get 'well known' to run 3rd party?If someone 'well known' wanted to run this time why didn't they run for the nomination to begin with?Someone 'well known' is going to run,with no chance of winning,just to be a Trump spoiler,and forever enter the history books as someone who was a losing presidential candidate?What idiot is going to do that?Got any names?

You kind of remind me of some of Ron Pauls supporters last time who posted on here daily their theory that Ron Paul was going to win the delegates and the nomination even though he kept losing all the primaries.
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Old 03-01-2016, 10:10 PM
 
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They have to use it or vote to change it, that's why they call it a rule. Even though Trump's won 10 states, he's only won a majority of delegates in 1 state. South Carolina appears to have been his high-water mark; even with cheerleaders Sessions and Christie, he couldn't even muster a majority win in Alabama.
If Trump doesn't win a majority of delegates in 7 more states, he won't win the nomination on the first ballot unless the RNC rewrites the rule.
If it goes to a 2nd ballot, then all Trump's delegates are released so it's a whole new ballgame.

The only way I see Trump winning a majority in 7 more states is if either Rubio or Cruz drops out. Even then Kasich might be enough of a spoiler to block majority votes.

So the RNC will have a big problem on their hands if Trump delivers a plurality of most states but a majority in fewer than 8 states. They'll either have to rewrite the rules to give him a 1st ballot win, in which case the voting populace in general will think they caved. Or they can follow their existing rules, deny Trump the automatic win, and hack off his supporters.
It'll be a lose-lose for them, and Ron Paul supporters will love every minute.
Thanks for saving me the time

Why do you think guys like Carson and Kasich are still hanging around wasting money when they have zero chance? They are being funded to stick around and take votes so Trump can't get that majority in the 8 states.
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Old 03-01-2016, 10:14 PM
 
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Some people aren't paying attention. Those who claim they will change the rules no longer are in power.
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Old 03-02-2016, 12:27 PM
 
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Great read here, Trump is screwed


How the GOP Insiders Plan to Steal the Nod From Trump - Breitbart


In 2016, Trump doesn’t need the racketeers money because he has the Republican grassroots, but the racketeers have one last play: fix the Rules of the Conventions. For example, do you know how many delegates Trump must get to be nominated for president today? Zero. Cruz, Rubio, and all the rest? Also zero. Why? Because the Rule that allows them to be nominated (Rule 40) requires “permanently seated delegates” for nomination. But that won’t happen until the Credentials Committee meets at the convention!

Then there is rule 40-B.Please note that Rule 40 as it is currently written expires on the day before the convention when the Rules Committee meets to make up the new Rules of the Convention and for the Republican Party for the next 4 years. Rule 40-B currently requires a nominee to have “the “majority of the permanently seated delegates from at least 8 states.” Romney lawyer Ben Ginsberg was able to change Rule 40 from “plurality of the delegates from at least 5 states” to the current rule. The potential for skullduggery is clear. Even if Trump runs the tables in the primaries winning a plurality in virtually every state the rule can be tailored by a controlled Rules Committee to prevent a Trump nomination.

Rule 40-B used to require a majority in six states but when Congressman Ron Paul met that goal it was quickly changed to eight states. Under control of the insiders the number of states required can be amended to any number to block Trump.
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Old 03-02-2016, 01:03 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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I think the RNC knows that if they pull any s*it, 30% of Republicans may sit out the General Election.
Fact is - either way - a significant number of Republicans will be sitting out. Do not kid yourself, there are ALOT of Republicans who WILL NOT vote for Trump. Likewise, if Trump were somehow kept off the ballot alot of his supporters would stay home.
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Old 03-02-2016, 01:14 PM
 
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Won't happen Dex, but keep reaching

Last night Tom Delay, former speaker of the house and party insider, basically said that is what is going to happen......so start believing it.
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Old 03-02-2016, 01:16 PM
 
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Thanks for saving me the time

Why do you think guys like Carson and Kasich are still hanging around wasting money when they have zero chance? They are being funded to stick around and take votes so Trump can't get that majority in the 8 states.

Exactly.

This is going to be some historic stuff this summer.
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