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Old 02-28-2016, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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Are you saying by "make a difference" that you'd rather see Trump, Cruz or Rubio win? If you are talking about the primaries, that's a different story.

In any case, people should vote their conscience, as long as they vote. Still, if Hillary Clinton wins the popular vote, I hope the Sanders' supporters won't keep talking about how "rigged" her nomination was. Many people think it was rigged for Obama and that Hillary really never had a chance. It was difficult but, in the end, I voted for Obama in 2008 anyway.
That is what my friends that lean left are doing, they are voting their conscience. They know that Hillary is a big corporation banker w*****, interventionist, globalist, and will carry out the establishment agenda. They are supporting Sanders to take on establishment politicians like Hillary, why in good conscience would they turn around and support her if Bernie loses? They would have to throw everything they supported and principle right out the window.

Their complaint won 't be election was rigged, their complaint is with Hillary and they have chosen to vote their conscience instead and support Stein. Myself, I am most likely voting 3rd party but as I said it won't be Stein since I only agree with her on a couple of issues and I lean to the right.
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Old 02-28-2016, 06:57 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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That is what my friends that lean left are doing, they are voting their conscience. They know that Hillary is a big corporation banker w*****, interventionist, globalist, and will carry out the establishment agenda. They are supporting Sanders to take on establishment politicians like Hillary, why in good conscience would they turn around and support her if Bernie loses? They would have to throw everything they supported and principle right out the window.

Their complaint won 't be election was rigged, their complaint is with Hillary and they have chosen to vote their conscience instead and support Stein. Myself, I am most likely voting 3rd party but as I said it won't be Stein since I only agree with her on a couple of issues and I lean to the right.
I wish someone would explain to me why someone who has been in Congress for over 25 years, and gets paid $174,000 plus benefits, is NOT the establishment. Where do you draw the line?

By the way, does anyone know how Sanders voted when Congress wanted a raise? I'm pretty sure he voted YES.
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Old 02-28-2016, 07:02 PM
 
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Reminds me of comedians crying about how one of them stole a joke from the other.

Mick
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Old 02-28-2016, 07:52 PM
 
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Myself, I am most likely voting 3rd party but as I said it won't be Stein since I only agree with her on a couple of issues and I lean to the right.
I usually lean to the right but Sanders has caught my attention. I like his honesty and he is the first major candidate since Ross Perot that I do not consider to be slimey. I must state that I do not agree with Sanders' ideology but I think we have reached a point where we need to put ideology aside and bring people into politics who possess at least a modicum of integrity and put an end to the chronic liars like Clinton.

If the general election turns out to be Trump versus Clinton, I will vote for Trump. Both candidates are beholden to Wall Street but Clinton is an avowed globalist while Trump is at least talking as if he is pro-American. Whether he stays that way with his actions remains to be seen. If the general election turns out to be Trump versus Sanders, I may go with Sanders. How often do we see a presidential candidate that is not beholden to Wall Street?

My hot-buttons regarding elections are chronic liars and supporters of globalism over American citizens.
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Old 03-13-2016, 01:09 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3iB...ature=youtu.be
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Old 03-13-2016, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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She had to choose between parroting Senator Sanders or losing the primary. She chose to copy. What she will do if she becomes President is unknown but it is a safe bet her corporate sponsors will be happy and the rest of us will not.


While I support Sanders and his program I would vote for Secretary Clinton before I would ever vote for any of the Republican candidates. The Repubs have given us a choice between a bullying braggart, a slick kid and a Bible thumper. I do not want any of those incompetents.
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Old 03-13-2016, 02:29 PM
 
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While I support Sanders and his program I would vote for Secretary Clinton before I would ever vote for any of the Republican candidates. The Repubs have given us a choice between a bullying braggart, a slick kid and a Bible thumper. I do not want any of those incompetents.
It seems to be me that this would be the perfect election cycle for a third party candidate with all strong anti-establishment feelings. We just need a movement with an inspiring third party candidate for people to coalesce around. Right now Trump is the primary beneficiary of the anti-establishment sentiment.

Nonetheless, no matter how unappealing the Republican candidates are regarding their perceived flaws, I cannot cast a vote for Hillary the corporate queen.
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Old 03-13-2016, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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She had to choose between parroting Senator Sanders or losing the primary. She chose to copy. What she will do if she becomes President is unknown but it is a safe bet her corporate sponsors will be happy and the rest of us will not.


While I support Sanders and his program I would vote for Secretary Clinton before I would ever vote for any of the Republican candidates. The Repubs have given us a choice between a bullying braggart, a slick kid and a Bible thumper. I do not want any of those incompetents.
Just out of curiosity who is the slick kid?

And aren't you forgetting one? There are four remaining candidates
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Old 03-13-2016, 04:30 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Anyone notice this now? In her speeches she seems to be repeating exactly the things Bernie Sanders stands for. In fact tonight watching the South Carolina coverage she was asking voters to go to her webpage and donate (Something Bernie asks because he relies on small donations and doesn't accept Super pac money) yet there is Hillary doing the same thing.

It's just really frustrating to watch during town halls, debates and now speeches, her stealing his lines.

'Those Are Our Words!': Bernie Slams Hillary for Stealing Talking Points | Fox News Insider


Is it that difficult to come up with her own message?
That's what she does, See whats working and latch onto it, Because her voters don't really care about honesty or integrity in there leadership or, in there defense there just not that well informed. She's basically verbatim on his stance now. Sickening.
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Old 03-13-2016, 04:32 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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It seems to be me that this would be the perfect election cycle for a third party candidate with all strong anti-establishment feelings. We just need a movement with an inspiring third party candidate for people to coalesce around. Right now Trump is the primary beneficiary of the anti-establishment sentiment.

Nonetheless, no matter how unappealing the Republican candidates are regarding their perceived flaws, I cannot cast a vote for Hillary the corporate queen.
Me too,can't do it.
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