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What are voters angry about? I am not so sure there is much reason to be angry, nor that the existing problems are due to or can be solved by any president.
You really don't understand the issues. Yes, some of the problems can be solved by executive action, by enforcing laws, the very thing the executive is designed to do. But they refuse. On the contrary.
The issue here is territorial integrity and legality.
richrfr sums it up beautifully:
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The choice is between more of the same or rolling the dice. Think in terms of what a person who feels like a slave might do?
Americans have always rolled the dice. There would be no Americans if they didn't, they would have died before they even started in Europe, clubbed, stabbed, and shot to death.
I think the choice (and there is a stark one) will be very difficult. Either continue with the status quo of economic repression that is perpetrated by Republican and Democratic Establishments and particularly the Clintons and Bushes or roll the dice with Trump who can be characterized by extreme demagoguery (his resistance to instanteously reject the KKK was breathtaking).
This election more than anyone in 80 years will demonstrate how angry the electorate is with the current Established regime that insists on piling wealth on to itself using government as the vehicle for wealth distribution to the top.
I could never see myself voting for Trump no matter who was on the other side. Just his inability to denounce the KKK or David Duke; his juvenile tweets; accusing Megyn Kelly of being on her period; shouting schoolboy insults during the debates - nope. Couldn't do it.
I don't care HOW good a businessman he is. And I'm not opposed to a business person running but they must be absolutely SANE.
I am not American, so I can't vote anyway. But I would not vote for her even if I could. When I hear her speak she seems somehow fake to me, just words that are aimed at making simple minds fall for her.
Nor does she seem overly competent, there is something Merkel about her, which is not a compliment at all.
She is old, but there is nothing wise about her at all.
Then again, nobody is less competent than Trump
Voting in the US must really be torture, there are hardly any good candidates, and the few acceptable ones will never be elected because the masses don't like humble reasonable candidates. So you have all those conservatives trying to out-radicalize each other in order to to appeal to the masses of unreasonable voters.
It is better on the Democratic side, so I would have to go for them even if I did not like their candidates, either.
I actually wrote this book before the Trump phenomenon. But it’s such a perfect illustration. Because what you see is that ills of the middle class in the US are basically connected to globalization and competition with cheaper labor from Asia and immigration.
It also talks about how much the middle class has declined in the US, especially compared to other industrialized countries.
The economic situation in America, especially for the middle and lower classes, is NOT good
You really don't understand the issues. Yes, some of the problems can be solved by executive action, by enforcing laws, the very thing the executive is designed to do. But they refuse. On the contrary.
The issue here is territorial integrity and legality.
richrfr sums it up beautifully:
Americans have always rolled the dice. There would be no Americans if they didn't, they would have died before they even started in Europe, clubbed, stabbed, and shot to death.
I live in a poor country where the middle class has also been reduced quite a bit. Still, there is no radicalization like in the US. People remain calm, no crazy president or anything.
And there is little if anything a president can do about the rise of emerging countries, it is the natural course of things. We, i.e. the West, have no monopoly on a good life, others will eventually catch up, and we will go down a bit. And that's OK. What goes up must come down. Nothing grows forever in a closed system such as Earth.
It's not that there is not enough money in countries such as the US. But greed and egoistic priorities and goals lead to a very unfair distribution of wealth. Look at companies such as McDonalds or Walmart. Employees don't earn much, but the owners, shareholders and officers are filthy rich. That is the kind of system Trump stands for, Americans are naive if they think electing Trump will help the masses.
Nor can a country simply close its borders to products from abroad. There are trade organizations and contracts that prevent that. Not to mention that other countries would start to do the same, which would backfire on the US.
I think it was on this thread I stated I would *possibly* vote for Hillary if Pennsylvania is in danger of going for Cruz. That does not seem to be the case so I'll stick with Jill Stein if Clinton is the nominee.
I live in a poor country where the middle class has also been reduced quite a bit. Still, there is no radicalization like in the US. People remain calm, no crazy president or anything.
And there is little if anything a president can do about the rise of emerging countries, it is the natural course of things. We, i.e. the West, have no monopoly on a good life, others will eventually catch up, and we will go down a bit. And that's OK. What goes up must come down. Nothing grows forever in a closed system such as Earth.
It's not that there is not enough money in countries such as the US. But greed and egoistic priorities and goals lead to a very unfair distribution of wealth. Look at companies such as McDonalds or Walmart. Employees don't earn much, but the owners, shareholders and officers are filthy rich. That is the kind of system Trump stands for, Americans are naive if they think electing Trump will help the masses.
Nor can a country simply close its borders to products from abroad. There are trade organizations and contracts that prevent that. Not to mention that other countries would start to do the same, which would backfire on the US.
I'm not ready to give up the barn yet. The US is a huge market for consumer goods, and that gives us power over trade, which to this point has never been wielded because Wall St. doesn't want that.
The highlighted part is where you are naïve. Hillary Clinton stands for the same system. Her and her husbands policies have little to no fundamental difference in comparison to George W. Bush when it comes to the economy. They are the darlings of Wall St. for a reason. They throw bones to the left and minorities on social issues, but they are basically Reagan Republicans on the economy.
While Trump is a business man and a capitalist, he at least is not on their payroll.
The real alternative to this mindset is Bernie Sanders.
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