Do Bernie Sanders supporters remind you of Obama supporters circa 2008? (elect, money)
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Because we have come to accept tyranny does not mean that we should continue to accept it. There is no social contract. That is a mythological construction that collectivists use to enslave others. I wasn't born a slave to your needs, and you weren't born a slave to mine.
As far as infrastructure, I am happy to contribute to that. Because it makes sense to me and I choose to. I DO NOT ACCEPT that a Bernie Sanders or other tyrant is going to steal money from some humans to GIVE AWAY to other humans.
Let's stay focused and not go off on the usual collectivist rantings about libertarianism or anarchy. Bernie Sanders reason for living is CONFISCATION AND REASSIGNMENT of wealth. Bernie Sanders is all about redistribution of wealth, which is a euphemism for THEFT OF PRIVATE PROPERTY. Then giving away the stolen property to others HE DECIDES NEED IT.
I reject that philosophy. I don't care how many people believe it. It's wrong. It's immoral. And it's unsuitable for human life under this or any other form of government.
Bernie Sanders is the CANDIDATE OF ENVY.
Would we be better off under Hillary? I think the vapid biddy is horrific, but infinitely superior to this old communist. Bernie Sanders is antithetical to American values, and indeed proper human values. Demagogging income inequality, a faux issue designed to amplify emotions of person ineffectiveness, to bludgeon taxpayers into giving up what they have earned at the point of a state-held gun, so that others may be lavished with stolen money and time from their fellow citizens.
Bernie Sanders philosophy is unspeakably disgusting, unfit for human consumption, and will be rejected of course. But nevertheless, the extent to which it has prolonged itself in this campaign is a troubling symptom that a cancer has invaded the American psyche. We have become very weak, very whiny, and very stupid. And that can only lead to future evil for which Bernie Sanders is a disconcerting harbinger.
You have two choices, take it or leave it.
You're railing about "redistribution of wealth." Wealth is already redistributed. My tax dollars go to support the oil industry, the nuclear industry, $700 billion bailouts for the banks, and on and on. At least Bernie opposed the banks bailout. Did you have a problem with those deals? Pretty much every candidate on both sides supported them. Do you see them as "redistributing wealth"?
Everybody has things they don't like that the government pays for. You're nobody special. If it doesn't bother you that the wealth of my tax dollars gets redistributed to multi-billion dollar oil companies, but you go bonkers if it's used to help a kid go to college, then leave the country. You're kind of out there.
You're railing about "redistribution of wealth." Wealth is already redistributed. My tax dollars go to support the oil industry, the nuclear industry, $700 billion bailouts for the banks, and on and on. At least Bernie opposed the banks bailout. Did you have a problem with those deals? Pretty much every candidate on both sides supported them. Do you see them as "redistributing wealth"?
Everybody has things they don't like that the government pays for. You're nobody special. If it doesn't bother you that the wealth of my tax dollars gets redistributed to multi-billion dollar oil companies, but you go bonkers if it's used to help a kid go to college, then leave the country. You're kind of out there.
I don't care about other forms of redistribution. They are wrong too and should STOP. The oil industry should get nothing from the government. The banks should get nothing from the government. There should be no bailouts.
Now, stop defocusing and obfuscating and stonewalling and smokescreening.
Bernie Sanders, by all accounts, has become, and is, a one issue candidate. Income inequality. Which means: The CENTRAL TENET, the KEY FOCUS, the PRIME DIRECTIVE, the RAISON D'ETRE, of Bernie's candidacy, is one thing, and one thing only. And that is: REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH. Which is taking from one person to give to another simply because he needs it.
THEFT is the MORAL IMPERATIVE, DRIVING FORCE, PRIME MOTIVATOR, AND MODUS OPERANDI of Bernie Sanders candidacy.
If you vote for Bernie Sanders, you concur with this, agree to it, admit to it, and are besmirched and debauched by it.
There's just no other way to put it. A vote for this crusty, malevolent, old Trotskyist is a vote for hatred of freedom, hatred of private property rights, hatred of individual liberty, hatred of the very meaning of America and what we stand for.
This is exactly the case. They are even so mindless that many of them do not even know what socialism is or means.
I'll bet they know what Democratic Socialism means and the old farts don't.
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Originally Posted by 2e1m5a
I do favor the dismantling of the Federal Reserve and their banks-but Bernie is the only major candidate that goes near these issues. We need to be having these conversations. There is nothing "conspiracy" about it.
Look-he's not perfect-I am looking into information I read today that Bernie has ties to George Soros-but IMO he is by far the best option we have at this point.
We don't agree that he's necessarily the best option at this point and we don't agree about dismantling the Federal Reserve - but we do agree that we absolutely should be having these conversations. Soon it will be the younger generation that is taking over the government at the local, state, and federal level. When that happens, they absolutely will be the force of change. It will be most interesting.
You're railing about "redistribution of wealth." Wealth is already redistributed. My tax dollars go to support the oil industry, the nuclear industry, $700 billion bailouts for the banks, and on and on. At least Bernie opposed the banks bailout. Did you have a problem with those deals? Pretty much every candidate on both sides supported them. Do you see them as "redistributing wealth"?
Everybody has things they don't like that the government pays for. You're nobody special. If it doesn't bother you that the wealth of my tax dollars gets redistributed to multi-billion dollar oil companies, but you go bonkers if it's used to help a kid go to college, then leave the country. You're kind of out there.
How about we vote for SMALLER GOVERNMENT candidates and then decide how we want to slice up the pie based on priorities (security/infrastructure vs. college handouts as an example). The vast majority of the public on both sides will agree that our federal (and even state) governments have gotten too big. The size of our government is simply unsustainable, especially given the fake financial system it is currently being propped up by.
Bernie Sanders, by all accounts, has become, and is, a one issue candidate. Income inequality. Which means: The CENTRAL TENET, the KEY FOCUS, the PRIME DIRECTIVE, the RAISON D'ETRE, of Bernie's candidacy, is one thing, and one thing only. And that is: REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH. Which is taking from one person to give to another simply because he needs it.
Then it's your fault for not looking deeper into the issues.
What you're really saying is that Bernie is honest, and the other candidates aren't.
If Ted Cruz, who will surely continue government subsidies to the oil and gas industry in Texas, stands up on a stage and rails like you against redistribution of wealth, theft, immorality, blah, blah, blah, that just makes him a liar. He is going to redistribute just as much wealth as Bernie, except to fat cats instead of ordinary people. Maybe more. It's your fault for not recognizing that, instead choosing to criticize a politician who is more honest about how our system works.
How about we vote for SMALLER GOVERNMENT candidates and then decide how we want to slice up the pie based on priorities (security/infrastructure vs. college handouts as an example). The vast majority of the public on both sides will agree that our federal (and even state) governments have gotten too big. The size of our government is simply unsustainable, especially given the fake financial system it is currently being propped up by.
I'm not against smaller government.
But we might diverge on what to cut.
For example, we spend more on our military than the next 8 largest military budgets in the world combined. Any room to cut there, in your opinion? I'm hearing, "Military is weak, have to make it stronger," from guys like Trump on the republican size.
There is a segment of haters in society who favor redistributive theft. We can always see a few of these types floating in the atmosphere. Most are reconciled to the limits of their own lives, resentful of same, and ready to start taking what they could never hope to earn.
Bernie Sanders is the candidate for those people. They can't win, but they can complain. And the Sanders campaign is basically a complaint. A futile and substanceless envy-driven whinefest.
May this philosophy rot in hell.
Pretty funny any kind of salesman talking about redistribution of wealth... Sell any ice to Eskimos today? Nothing personal, pet peeve.
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For example, we spend more on our military than the next 8 largest military budgets in the world combined. Any room to cut there, in your opinion? I'm hearing, "Military is weak, have to make it stronger," from guys like Trump on the republican size.
Nope, I say cut military too...by eliminating waste and fraud. Some of these contracts for tech are absolutely insanity, and I'm sure we spend way too much on all sorts of contracts and useless spending. Run it lean and mean, and don't forget the mean.
Abolish the IRS and other bureaucracies too. So much of our tax dollars are spent on bureaucratic overhead it is probably nauseating.
How about setting expenditure caps (stipend) for elected official's travel. Let them stay at Hampton in or even a Ramada instead of some 10k or more room per night lavish hotel, etc.
Time to start being frugal from top to bottom.
Make able bodied welfare recipients dig ditches, etc.
Then it's your fault for not looking deeper into the issues.
What you're really saying is that Bernie is honest, and the other candidates aren't.
If Ted Cruz, who will surely continue government subsidies to the oil and gas industry in Texas, stands up on a stage and rails like you against redistribution of wealth, theft, immorality, blah, blah, blah, that just makes him a liar. He is going to redistribute just as much wealth as Bernie, except to fat cats instead of ordinary people. Maybe more. It's your fault for not recognizing that, instead choosing to criticize a politician who is more honest about how our system works.
The recipient of a theft does not mitigate its immorality. Bernie Sanders is a different thief than Ted Cruz, not a better thief. The fact that there are different victims IS NOT A REASON TO VOTE FOR SOMEONE.
Nope, I say cut military too...by eliminating waste and fraud. Some of these contracts for tech are absolutely insanity, and I'm sure we spend way too much on all sorts of contracts and useless spending. Run it lean and mean, and don't forget the mean.
Abolish the IRS and other bureaucracies too. So much of our tax dollars are spent on bureaucratic overhead it is probably nauseating.
How about setting expenditure caps (stipend) for elected official's travel. Let them stay at Hampton in or even a Ramada instead of some 10k or more room per night lavish hotel, etc.
Time to start being frugal from top to bottom.
Make able bodied welfare recipients dig ditches, etc.
Agree on how to fix the military.
Maybe not abolish IRS, but fix with a simpler tax code.
Agree on travel, and you can throw in parties, etc.
I don't know about making welfare recipients did ditches. I bet a lot of them would take real jobs though, if offered by the government. It wouldn't be that different from welfare.
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