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Old 03-15-2016, 12:36 PM
 
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How long can a famously "You're Fired" billionaire campaign against his fellow billionaires and for the working guy that he likely regularly has stiffed in his greed-based existence? Maybe I'm ignorant, but is Trump even well known for philanthropy, like the accomplished Rockefeller mega-wealthy politicians?

Fight for blue-collar Ohio shows how Trump and Sanders are alike and different - LA Times

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...7b7_story.html

Donald Trump: The Least Charitable Billionaire In The World - News Examiner - Examine Your World
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Old 03-15-2016, 12:40 PM
 
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It's one thing to give amounts of money that are meaningless to you, and a whole other to run for president and make policy change that will greatly benefit the working poor.

Don't compare the money given by those that overwhelmingly benefit from the very policies that make those that receive that charity so poor, to what Trump is doing for the working class.

People don't want the scraps the wealthy discard, they want jobs, and opportunities to improve their lives.

The fact that the other candidates don't represent the American people is their Achilles' heel, and is Trumps greatest strength.

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Old 03-15-2016, 12:46 PM
 
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It's one thing to give amounts of money that are meaningless to you, and a whole other to run for president and make policy change that will greatly benefit the working poor.

People don't want charity, they want jobs, and opportunities to improve their lives.
So, you trust The Donald?

You're certain that he's running for the Presidency to help the little guy, and not to increase his very bankable reality show fame and preserve the immense tax breaks for real estate investors in the federal tax code?

When and why did Trump get the "look out for the little guy" religion? I missed the details and timing of this remarkable transformation. Did his favorite janitor die suddenly and leave his family in grinding poverty?
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Old 03-15-2016, 01:04 PM
 
Location: New York
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It's one thing to give amounts of money that are meaningless to you, and a whole other to run for president and make policy change that will greatly benefit the working poor.

Don't compare the money given by those that overwhelmingly benefit from the very policies that make those that receive that charity so poor, to what Trump is doing for the working class.

People don't want the scraps the wealthy discard, they want jobs, and opportunities to improve their lives.

The other candidates Achilles' heel is the fact that they don't represent the American people, and that is Trumps greatest strength.

Very Good Point - I agree...


OP - look at the "BIG Picture"


Examining him under a magnifying glass, we might not agree with everything TRUMP says or does. The number one issue facing America today is the economy and jobs. He has the best qualifications and a proven resume (empire) that he understands business. That is why more and more people are supporting TRUMP.


TRUMP
2016


.
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Old 03-15-2016, 01:24 PM
 
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Very Good Point - I agree...


OP - look at the "BIG Picture"


Examining him under a magnifying glass, we might not agree with everything TRUMP says or does. The number one issue facing America today is the economy and jobs. He has the best qualifications and a proven resume (empire) that he understands business. That is why more and more people are supporting TRUMP.


TRUMP
2016


.
I've seen no evidence that Trump understands trade issues. Has he ever discussed the international VAT system that so penalizes American manufacturers given the lack of a rebatable VAT in the U.S. to encourage exports and the assessment of the VAT on imports to level the playing field for American manufacturers?

What manufacturing business has Trump ever run?

How many businesses has Trump bankrupted, stiffing creditors? If you listen to Trump, using bankruptcies is a measure of his business acumen, never acknowledging that he likely assumed little risk and received management fees and/or fees for using his name. Really? This is the guy you want to run the federal government?

Lawsuit Against Trump | The Ring Law Firm, APLC | Los Angeles, California

Here's the explanation of the VAT problem by Larry Lindsey, the one-time chief economic advisor to George W. Bush:

Lindsey, Lawrence B., Testimony before the Senate Budget Committee, 02/02/11 | VAT (Value Added Tax) Information | VATINFO.org

Trump says he would impose tariffs on importers, totally oblivious that this, unlike instituting a VAT, would cause an international trade war and likely massive global recession because only a VAT is permissible under the GATT (look it up).

China, Europe, Canada, Mexico and every other nation in the world use a VAT to eat at the American trough, yet most Americans have no understanding of the problem. Have you ever wondered why, unlike in the rest of the world, a large majority of American automobile content is imported? The global VAT system, largely implemented since 1960, provides much of the answer.

Read Lindsey's book on the subject.
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Old 03-15-2016, 01:48 PM
 
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I've seen no evidence that Trump understands trade issues. Has he ever discussed the international VAT system that so penalizes American manufacturers given the lack of a rebatable VAT in the U.S. to encourage exports and the assessment of the VAT on imports to level the playing field for American manufacturers?

What manufacturing business has Trump ever run?

How many businesses has Trump bankrupted, stiffing creditors? If you listen to Trump, using bankruptcies is a measure of his business acumen, never acknowledging that he likely assumed little risk and received management fees and/or fees for using his name. Really? This is the guy you want to run the federal government?

Lawsuit Against Trump | The Ring Law Firm, APLC | Los Angeles, California

Here's the explanation of the VAT problem by Larry Lindsey, the one-time chief economic advisor to George W. Bush:

Lindsey, Lawrence B., Testimony before the Senate Budget Committee, 02/02/11 | VAT (Value Added Tax) Information | VATINFO.org

Trump says he would impose tariffs on importers, totally oblivious that this, unlike instituting a VAT, would cause an international trade war and likely massive global recession because only a VAT is permissible under the GATT (look it up).

China, Europe, Canada, Mexico and every other nation in the world use a VAT to eat at the American trough, yet most Americans have no understanding of the problem. Have you ever wondered why, unlike in the rest of the world, a large majority of American automobile content is imported? The global VAT system, largely implemented since 1960, provides much of the answer.

Read Lindsey's book on the subject.

Do you know that Trump's business career has spanned decades, and only 1% of his business have filed for bankruptcy? I'm sure anybody that has started literally hundreds of businesses would love to only have a 1% failure rate.

As for trade wars, everybody loses in a trade wars, especially the nations that are exporting more than they are importing. So China sure isn't going to throw the baby out with the bathwater just because Trumps wants more balanced trade deals.

Seriously, take your hysteria elsewhere, it is only an excuse the wealthy, and ruling class use to continue the policies that are hurting so many Americans.
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Old 03-15-2016, 02:03 PM
 
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Do you know that Trump's business career has spanned decades, and only 1% of his business have filed for bankruptcy? I'm sure anybody that has started literally hundreds of businesses would love to only have a 1% failure rate.

As for trade wars, everybody loses in a trade wars, especially the nations that are exporting more than they are importing. So China sure isn't going to throw the baby out with the bathwater just because Trumps wants more balanced trade deals.

Seriously, take your hysteria elsewhere, it is only an excuse the wealthy, and ruling class use to continue the policies that are hurting so many Americans.
Tariffs and a trade war generally are listed as one of the causes of the Great Depression by interrupting international trade. If Trump breaks the GATT, the result likely would be brutal given the much higher level of international trade today. I guess Trump supporters and The Donald know more than the large majority of experienced economists. You can bet that global stock markets would collapse if the U.S. ever seriously considered something like the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, which sounds like what Trump is proposing. There is some basis for Wall Street's fears of The Donald's act (I don't believe Trump would ever break the GATT, so I don't know how he plans to restore the balance in American manufacturing versus imports).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%...ley_Tariff_Act

How about an article or something documenting Trump's bankruptcies? The important figures IMO would be how much net cash he pulled out of the failed enterprises and how much was lost by the other investors and creditors. Here's one article that I found. Note that as is typical in bankruptcies, employees were among those stiffed by Trump, but this article doesn't detail how much was lost by investors, creditors, etc.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/31/news...mp-bankruptcy/

This article also doesn't employee losses, which likely were not of concern to Donald and his fellow financiers, like the famous Carl Icahn.

http://dividendreference.com/article...-bankruptcies/

Trump isn't a member of the wealthy, ruling class? Fooled you!!!

What hysteria? Just facts that apparently you can't handle.

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Old 03-15-2016, 04:08 PM
 
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I've seen no evidence that Trump understands trade issues.
Or macroeconomics.

Mick
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Old 03-15-2016, 04:16 PM
 
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WRnative: All of these questions that you are asking have already been addressed so it is really up to you to spend your time researching each candidate. It is a waste of my time to address your wasted attack on Trump.

Which candidate are you supporting? Probably the Bernie, right? You want "free" stuff?

Trump will benefit as will all US citizens with his restoration of OUR country.

Anyone that is really interested in supporting Trump has already done their homework and those that don't just waste their time by chanting the same old crap day in and day out. Best use of time is to support your losing candidate rather than going after the obvious winner.

Watch the returns come in to help you understand that you are missing the big picture while many others have got it!
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Old 03-15-2016, 04:17 PM
 
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One definition of insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, and each time expecting different results. Trump is something different, and he is going to deliver different results. We don't care if they are "good" results or not. Different. We want different. And we also want to establish a level of respect with our ruling political class by destroying it completely, just to prove to them that we can.
To me, it's like getting frustrated after hiring 4 plumbers to fix your pipe obstruction, and no one fixing it correctly and ripping you off.

The answer is to find a better plumber. It's not hiring a real estate agent ("She must have seen a lot of plumbing issues in her job. . . "). You want different? It will be different alright. You might get your whole basement flooded because she doesn't know what she's doing. "But it can't get any worse!" Oh, yes, it sure can.

Mick
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