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Thanks to the OP for the link & for starting the thread.
From the link:
Emineth, also a former chairman of the North Dakota Republican Party, told "Squawk Box" in the same interview that he's concerned about party officials pulling "some shenanigan."
"You have groups of people who are going to try to take over the rules committee," he warned. "[That] could totally change everything, and mess things up with the delegates. And people across the country will be very frustrated."
As a nation, we have NO moral standing when we try to enforce/push our version of DEMOCRACY to other countries. This is a total DISGRACE!
Our version of democracy is working just fine in this election. Again, you have no constitutional right to determine a particular party's nominee for president. The parties have the constitutional right to decide their nominee any way they want, it is part of their "Freedom of Association" granted in the 1st amendment. I realize the rights of other people or groups can be inconvenient, but it is the protection of their rights that helps assure the protection of yours.
If you do not like a party's nominee or how they chose that nominee you are completely free to excise your right to vote and use it in a way that makes clear to them you don't like it.
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Paraphrasing and consolidating the message from the video. Watch to the end.
The media has created the perception that the voters choose the nominee. That's the conflict here. "Then why hold the primaries?" "That's a very good question"......................
Party elites on both sides were quite accustomed to having a lot of control over the nomination outcomes. It wasn't all that long ago that the primaries were things that only the most politically obsessed folks voted at and they tended to vote the way the party elites wanted them to. Splits in either party were virtually always due to splits in party leadership.
The world has changed and the party elites on both sides don't like it one bit. The American people are showing up at primaries and caucuses in record numbers over the last couple decades. It didn't used to be news that pulled ratings. Now it is pulling huge ratings and coverage of the process is under a microscope. At this point, it behooves both parties to make their nominating processes vastly more democratic and less elitist. It's much like the electoral college -- it's an outdated process that made sense 200+ years ago, but not anymore.
I'm sitting here watching the GOP leaders petitioning for the biggest political trainwreck since the death of the Whig Party. I honestly don't think they'll be stupid enough to go through with it ... but I guess you can never underestimate stupid people in large groups.
The issue is the Republicans are damned if they do, damned if they don't with Trump as the nominee. If Trump hits 1,237, he SHOULD get the nomination free and clear. If not, it opens it up though if I am not mistaken Kasich and Cruz have both been on the record stating that they want no part in brokered convention. The issue is without Trump, they resign to lose because Trump's vote is likely part of that "stay at home vote" you hear about a lot on here that cost Romney (and to a lesser extent McCain.) However, with Trump, you have many Republican voters who despise him or see him for the liar he is and would never vote for him, so much so it could make it a problem for him to get elected.
If you're going to quote me I'd ask that YOU DON'T CHANGE WHAT I WROTE to fit your agenda. Either leave it as posted or don't quote it mk PUNK. Highly disrespectful...
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Originally Posted by jimj View Post
I don't know that it (Drumpf getting 1237) will matter. Especially when you have the old speaker blabbing on about how he wants to put Ryan in at the convention.
This is gonna be fun to watch, it'll be interesting to see if the public has the stones to actually stand up and be heard for once or will they just bow down to the party elite while repeating the line "we've got to beat Hillbilly" to justify their actions.
Originally Posted by mkpunkThe issue is the Republicans are damned if they do, damned if they don't with Trump as the nominee. If Trump hits 1,237, he SHOULD get the nomination free and clear. If not, it opens it up though if I am not mistaken Kasich and Cruz have both been on the record stating that they want no part in brokered convention.
You are mistaken. For Kasich's part, if he didn't want any part of an open convention there would be no reason for him to stay in the race, because that is the only possible way he can come away with the nomination. There is no mathematical way for him to get the delegates required to clinch it on his own.
On Cruz's part, you are right, he wants no part of an open convention because the only person the establishment might hate more than Trump, is Cruz.
You are mistaken. For Kasich's part, if he didn't want any part of an open convention there would be no reason for him to stay in the race, because that is the only possible way he can come away with the nomination. There is no mathematical way for him to get the delegates required to clinch it on his own.
On Cruz's part, you are right, he wants no part of an open convention because the only person the establishment might hate more than Trump, is Cruz.
Kasich has rounded up some influential people and now thinks he's got a good chance at the nomination.
His people are looking into convention rules and how they were used in the past to get people nominated.
Kasich has rounded up some influential people and now thinks he's got a good chance at the nomination.
His people are looking into convention rules and how they were used in the past to get people nominated.
Furthermore, a majority of convention delegates can exercise their discretion to amend existing rules or make up new rules.
If you're going to quote me I'd ask that YOU DON'T CHANGE WHAT I WROTE to fit your agenda. Either leave it as posted or don't quote it mk PUNK. Highly disrespectful...
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Thank the Make Donald Drumpf again ap for that. I didn't change it, the app did automatically. But I thought supporters of his were supposed to be thick-skinned people wanting us all to be.... Edit: I'll make sure I don't change your's in the future so I don't have to hear another outburst like this.
It is also one very good reason to never vote for another incumbent! I would also be very leery of voting for anybody that was ever endorsed by the establishment.
I think Conservatives have lost sight of who our real enemy is... It's the Democrats, not "the establishment"....
It seems this year, the Republican base is more interested in intensely fighting it's own party rather than the real opposition.
They can't see the forest for the trees.
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Highly disrespectful...
Edit: I'll make sure I don't change your's in the future so I don't have to hear another outburst like this.
