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You left one other option out, conveniently no doubt.
3) The one where never-Trumps hold their nose and back Trump. Those are the ones who need to man up. The GOP allowed Trump to run in the party and now they need to take responsibility and save the party or they are responsible for it's destruction.
If the party, that has always said, people need to take personal responsibility for their actions and their life can't follow their own principles it isn't worth saving. The voters are the party. Without them there is no one to follow and no leader necessary to mess it all up. Control your leaders or remove them.
That option doesn't exist if Conservatives run a 3rd party candidate.
Like I said in the OP, The GOP isn't going to take their chances with Trump... They are either going to take the nomination away from him, or run someone against him, splitting the votes and ensuring a Trump loss. Either way, Trump doesn't become the president.
I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm just pointing it out. Trump will never be the President of the United States, like it or not.
That option doesn't exist if Conservatives run a 3rd party candidate.
Like I said in the OP, The GOP isn't going to take their chances with Trump... They are either going to take the nomination away from him, or run someone against him, splitting the votes and ensuring a Trump loss. Either way, Trump doesn't become the president.
I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm just pointing it out. Trump will never be the President of the United States, like it or not.
I do believe that you are totally correct, so there really is no need for anti-trump threads here. If his supporters want to delude themselves into thinking such a self-centered egotist really gives a crap for them or issues, let them. Nothing to worry about, it is not going to happen.
I do believe that you are totally correct, so there really is no need for anti-trump threads here. If his supporters want to delude themselves into thinking such a self-centered egotist really gives a crap for them or issues, let them. Nothing to worry about, it is not going to happen.
Well, there's still plenty to worry about, depending on what side of the ideological spectrum you fall on. If you're a Democrat, this debacle is nothing short of a gift from the gods. If you're a Republican, well, you're doomed.
You left one other option out, conveniently no doubt.
3) The one where never-Trumps hold their nose and back Trump. Those are the ones who need to man up. The GOP allowed Trump to run in the party and now they need to take responsibility and save the party or they are responsible for it's destruction.
If the party, that has always said, people need to take personal responsibility for their actions and their life can't follow their own principles it isn't worth saving. The voters are the party. Without them there is no one to follow and no leader necessary to mess it all up. Control your leaders or remove them.
I have no obligation to vote for someone who I find morally reprehensible and possibily dangerous, along with being toxic to our nation. Matter of fact, feeling the way I do, I have a moral responsibility to vote against him. I will not vote for Trump, what very little chance that was once left that I might ended when he basically threatened violence would happen if I didn't, like some mob goon demanding protection money to keep a store or restaurant from being set on fire. No, the debate really is whether I will vote for Hillary or a 3rd party candidate.
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I wouldn't be so smug considering the GOP has a lose and lose scenario. You can't win no matter what happens. Trump supporters want change. Regardless if Trump is allowed to be the nominee or not, the GOP will never be the same. How does that feel to know your precious GOP will be crippled or destroyed? How exactly does the GOP plan to win any future presidential elections if they alienate a good portion of their voters?
What the GOP has done is play with fire and now they are getting burned. For years the GOP leadership has been trying to united the party, but perhaps it is best for the establishment and Trump supporters to go their own separate ways. Trump has exposed a weakness in the GOP, which can be exploit by non-establishment politicians at all levels of politics.
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I don't agree.
If they go down this road, it will be crystal clear to everyone that the entire system is corrupt. That votes don't matter.
And they can forget about getting a vote from any fair minded person like me. They can go F themselves....and then you can welcome in President Hillary. After 8 more years, you won't recognize this country.
I agree 100%. I just wish you wouldn't have mentioned "after 8 more years" and Hillary since I just ate breakfast and the thought makes me physically ill. The woman should be in prison and is SO incompetent yet some just can't comprehend that.
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You left one other option out, conveniently no doubt.
3) The one where never-Trumps hold their nose and back Trump. Those are the ones who need to man up. The GOP allowed Trump to run in the party and now they need to take responsibility and save the party or they are responsible for it's destruction.
If the party, that has always said, people need to take personal responsibility for their actions and their life can't follow their own principles it isn't worth saving. The voters are the party. Without them there is no one to follow and no leader necessary to mess it all up. Control your leaders or remove them.
I agree. The GOP allowed Trump to run. He signed the loyalty pledge which I believe no one else has signed especially the way they are acting toward him. Don't tell me I can play like the game like everyone else and after I am in tell me there is no way you would ever let me win. Expect a problem in that scenario.
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I do believe that you are totally correct, so there really is no need for anti-trump threads here. If his supporters want to delude themselves into thinking such a self-centered egotist really gives a crap for them or issues, let them. Nothing to worry about, it is not going to happen.
Does this mean you will stop starting them? We are not deluded, we have educated ourselves on our candidate and spend time dispelling the myths that are brought here by people who would better spend their efforts supporting their losing candidates. Again, try expanding your horizons from liberal media headlines.
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I have no obligation to vote for someone who I find morally reprehensible and possibily dangerous, along with being toxic to our nation. Matter of fact, feeling the way I do, I have a moral responsibility to vote against him. I will not vote for Trump, what very little chance that was once left that I might ended when he basically threatened violence would happen if I didn't, like some mob goon demanding protection money to keep a store or restaurant from being set on fire. No, the debate really is whether I will vote for Hillary or a 3rd party candidate.
I thought it was you that said you might be able to vote for Trump if Rubio was the VP pick, but I guess you changed your mind over the "riot" thing. You can vote or not vote for Trump. I don't think the violence will be physical but there will be a revolt. I suspect those Senate seats that are up for vote, like 24 of them, may see a turn from red to blue.
How anyone in their right mind can vote for Hillary, I have no idea. She should be punished just like any other citizen: What just happened to this Marine should END Hillary Clinton Not mopping the floor in an election but in a prison jumpsuit! Endorsing her behavior, putting someone so evil, incompetent and a proven liability in office while whining about a statement that Trump said..................There are no words for that.
No matter which way it goes down, Trump loses. This is just the facts whether it's fair or not. Wouldn't you rather have it go way #1, where at least the party could at least still have a chance of defeating the Democrats, even if you don't like the candidate? Or is sending a message to the Establishment so important to you that you are willing to basically have another Obama in office for 4 more years in order to send it?
But you have not provided any evidence of this. So I'll chalk this one up to another variation on the "Why Trump Won't be Nominated" story that we have been hearing since last July.
I thought it was you that said you might be able to vote for Trump if Rubio was the VP pick, but I guess you changed your mind over the "riot" thing. You can vote or not vote for Trump. I don't think the violence will be physical but there will be a revolt. I suspect those Senate seats that are up for vote, like 24 of them, may see a turn from red to blue.
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As I said, it was reminiscent of a thug strong arming a shopkeeper for protection money. Very reminiscent.
Why say this now? Why not wait until closer to the nomination time? If he has the 1237 delegates this is a non-issue.
Coming so soon after the latest rally violence shows a lack of internal discipline, regardless. It shows a lack of an ability to pause for a more appropriate time.
I think it was a call to battle for his supporters.
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It's hilarious how everyone has their own scenario about how Trump is going to be left out, start a third party, start a riot and so on. Everybody, keep your shirts on and calm down. Let the process work and stop assuming it won't.
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