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The fact remains that both Bernie and Clinton have plans that actually help working people and history of helping working people.
I think a big and obvious problem is understanding what a "fact" is. Just because something falls under the "progressive"or "socialist" platform does not instantly default it to being good for the working man/woman.
It really doesn't matter whether Trump is a liberal or conservative. What matters is that he is totally UNQUALIFIED for the job. He doesn't have a clue how government works. I don't even think he has read the Constitution. He doesn't understand diplomacy which is needed to be the leader of ANY country. He is a reality t.v. star-that doesn't quality you to be president! I know the argument is that he is a "successful" businessman. The country is NOT a business. It should NOT be run like a business. The only thing that I know, Donald Trump is for is Donald Trump. He really could care less about the country. He cares about winning-that is all that his campaign is about. This is a popularity contest to him. How many times does he brag about his numbers in the polls. He cares about the attention he is getting. That is the only thing that matters to him. And I just don't understand why people can't (or won't) see that!
It really doesn't matter whether Trump is a liberal or conservative. What matters is that he is totally UNQUALIFIED for the job. He doesn't have a clue how government works. I don't even think he has read the Constitution. He doesn't understand diplomacy which is needed to be the leader of ANY country. He is a reality t.v. star-that doesn't quality you to be president! I know the argument is that he is a "successful" businessman. The country is NOT a business. It should NOT be run like a business. The only thing that I know, Donald Trump is for is Donald Trump. He really could care less about the country. He cares about winning-that is all that his campaign is about. This is a popularity contest to him. How many times does he brag about his numbers in the polls. He cares about the attention he is getting. That is the only thing that matters to him. And I just don't understand why people can't (or won't) see that!
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I definitely see a LOT of what you are saying, but that still doesn't compel me to vote for Clinton...or Cruz...or Bernie for that matter. They are all pretty unpalatable in their own gross and awful ways.
It always makes me chuckle when people mention this. Yes, she was also the president of the Young Republicans. Don't forget to include that too.
Oh, guess what? Elizabeth Warren was a member of the Republican Party. Ronald Reagan was a Democrat most of his life until he was 50. Michael Bloomberg was a lifelong Democrat until 2001 and ran for Mayor of New York as a Republican.
If you want to talk about things that happened when Hillary Clinton was a "Goldwater Girl" I can tell you some things that changed even more. Nobody I knew owned a personal computer or a cell phone, and I had never watched TV in color.
Ha! Yes, nothing has changed since 1964.
I can't even be bothered to debunk the rest of the nonsense in the original post.
Well, many claim that they are not going to vote but they will still complain.
It is always the choice of lesser of two evils.
I don't like anybody, so I will vote for somebody whom I think will get certain things done.
There are always more than two options. I'll be voting for Gary Johnson again. I know he won't win, but I consider it a "win" if the number of third party votes in total go up every cycle...last time he got 1.2M votes which was the most the libertarian party ever got.
As a libertarian, there really is no one speaking for me and a limited, constitutional government.
Libertarianism is a joke! Anyone who believes that people are so responsible that a government with a "hands off" approach is ideal is just naive at best and delusional at worst.
Libertarianism is a joke! Anyone who believes that people are so responsible that a government with a "hands off" approach is ideal is just naive at best and delusional at worst.
Actually what's naive and delusional as well as dangerous is someone that just makes up what they think they know about the Libertarian party. Its not some free for all as you seem to be implying.
Bernie & Trump supporters share this issue. -> System is rigged for 1% and politicians are paid off by Wall Street to keep it that way.
But they differ on how to solve it.
Bernie
[LIST][*]I have a penny, you have a penny, he has a penny, and 1% has 97 pennies. Now we all have 20 cents. Government gets 20 cents.[/LIST]Trump
[LIST][*]You have a penny, he has a penny, and I have 97 pennies. Now you and he have way to earn more pennies. I keep mine. Government gets nothing.[/LIST]
Although I do not agree with Bernie Sanders all the time, your analysis doesn't explain how we're supposed to fund the government with "nothing." I mean, I'd love to live in a tax free world, but even in biblical times people paid taxes.
So, based on your post, how is Trump planning to fund the larger, stronger military he's always mentioning? Will all social programs like Medicare and Social Security be eliminated? Will Mexico not only pay for the wall, but rebuild our bridges and roads? When there's a natural disaster like Katrina and Sandy, will Trump pay for emergency management, the same way he bailed out the supporter who sucker punched a protester?
A lot of you are still in denial. You don't get it: Hillary was on the other side of these issues only a short time ago. Her postiions haven't "evolved." She just doesn't really have convictions.
A lot of you don't know this because you aren't paying attention and/or are trying to rationalize.
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