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A lot of you are still in denial. You don't get it: Hillary was on the other side of these issues only a short time ago. Her postiions haven't "evolved." She just doesn't really have convictions.
A lot of you don't know this because you aren't paying attention and/or are trying to rationalize.
People have been convinced that the Republicans have a "War on Women" which is an amusing message coming from the candidate who has a husband with a lot more in common with Bill Cosby and Donald Trump than anyone seems to care about.
Looks like barring a brokered convention, Hillary and Trump have wrapped up the nominations. As a libertarian, there really is no one speaking for me and a limited, constitutional government. I will probably vote for Trump for reasons I don't want to get into, but let us examine the choice America has here.
HILLARY CLINTON
Hate to tell you "liberals" and "progressives," but Donal Trump is manifestly to the left of Hillary Clinton. It is almost a given that politicians change postitions, but the Hillary Clinton you think you are voting for does not exist. She is as mythical as Kasier Sose. She was a Goldwater girl before she was a liberal. She was against gay marraige before it became popular, and, while in the Senate, spoke passionately about traditional marraige as the "bedrock" of Western civilzation. She voted to go to Iraq on the same intelligence as George Bush, and spoke of ground troops returning to the Middle East only two years ago. Her husband and co-president worked dilligently for free trade, welfare reform, and helped invent the big incarceration she now has the nerve to pretend that she is against. Let's not even go into her Wall Street ties.
DONALD TRUMP
Was for Gay Marraige when Hillary was against it. Was against Iraq when Hillary voted for it. Is a staunch protectionsist in contrast the Clintons, who singed NAFTA and other free trade agreements. He was for universal health care before Mitt Romeny invented Obamcare. He is mostly as dyed in the wool a leftist as they come--except that he is agaisnt the prime left wing tenet of illegal immigration. Because he believes that our laws should be enforced, liberals hate him even though he is far more genuinely a lefty than Hillary.
These are just facts. Trump makes no effort to hide who he is. Hillary can't as it is a matter of public record. Trump is a lefty who made the ovbious connection between illegal immigration and job loss, and Clinton is whatever she needs to be at the moment to get elected.
To summarize. If you are a:
SOCIALIST: Bernie is gone but Trump is still a pretty good bet for you.
LIBERAL: Trump is your guy!
CONSERVATIVE- Go home. Unless they cheat Trump at the convention, there is no one for you.
LIBERTARIAN- No one even on the board speaking for you.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU BELIEVE- Clinton is your lady!
Since America has lost its collective mind, Clinton is the perfect candidate for the times and will certainly win.
Same Libertarian as well and supporting Trump. The Libertarian Party presidential nominee will receive so many votes this year as Clinton and Trump are probably the most hated presidential candidates in U.S. history.
A lot of you are still in denial. You don't get it: Hillary was on the other side of these issues only a short time ago. Her postiions haven't "evolved." She just doesn't really have convictions.
A lot of you don't know this because you aren't paying attention and/or are trying to rationalize.
I know Hillary sways with the wind. Like I have said before, if she is the nom, I will hold my nose and vote for her because she will be the lesser of two evils. I did not vote for her in the primary.
Yes, Hillary has changed some of her positions, but she was also called "too liberal" when she was First Lady. Politicians change their views all the time. However, if people want to point fingers, let's look at some statements Trump has made along the campaign trail. (don't forget to click on the "next" arrow, since there are 3 pages!)
[URL="http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/"]All False statements involving Donald Trump[/URL]
I know Hillary sways with the wind. Like I have said before, if she is the nom, I will hold my nose and vote for her because she will be the lesser of two evils. I did not vote for her in the primary.
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RE: Voting for the lesser of two evils.
I lived in FL and was a Clinton supporter in 2008 when I was told my vote didn't count. For a short time I considered voting for McCain. I did, however, end up volunteering and voting for Barack Obama because I felt Obama-Biden was the better ticket, especially after Sarah Palin became McCain's running mate. I do not regret my choice for a minute.
However, I cannot possibly compare Donald Trump with John McCain or Barack Obama. I mean, I don't even like mentioning Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in the same sentence so, for me, there's no contest. Is Hillary a saint? No. Is she very wealthy and politically shrewd? Yes. But I believe she really cares or she wouldn't be in this race. Donald Trump wrote in his books and said in interviews that if he gets his name in the paper "that's what really matters." I'll take him at his word.
But I believe she really cares or she wouldn't be in this race. Donald Trump wrote in his 1980 book and said in interviews that if he gets his name in the paper "that's what really matters." I'll take him at his word.
^In my opinion, people's positions should evolve and change over decades as the social landscape changes. Yes a liberal would really want DJT for his pro life, anti global warming, no path to citizenship, Great Wall of Mexico values. Not. There isn't much reality in what you write.
There was not one bit of validity to that post. Heck, I was a good church-going Christian five or so years ago and I didn't believe in 'gay marriage' but I was ok with 'civil unions'. Fast forward to moving to a bigger city; meeting a lot of gay friends, good people. . . I evolved, so to speak.
There is nothing liberal about Donald Trump and I know not ONE liberal who would even consider voting for him.
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Originally Posted by Ghengis
so what and tough hop to all you "intellectuals" (that's a laugh), I'll vote for whomever I feel like and for whatever reasons and my vote will count the same as yours. my main reason to vote for Hillary is to save taxpayer dollars on not having to redo white house stationary and re-monogram the china and bath-robes that are probably already in the basement cupboards waiting to be brought back upstairs.
Hey, as long as you vote your conscience - you just can't go wrong.
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Originally Posted by eye state your name
It's not bad. It has done a brilliant job of indoctrinating the youth of America with progressive ideology and teaching children WHAT to think, instead of HOW to think.
I don't know. My son seems pretty smart to me and pick apart an argument on every side of the fence. I definitely think he learned how to use his brain.
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Originally Posted by cachibatches
A lot of you are still in denial. You don't get it: Hillary was on the other side of these issues only a short time ago. Her postiions haven't "evolved." She just doesn't really have convictions.
A lot of you don't know this because you aren't paying attention and/or are trying to rationalize.
I would say it is you who is trying to rationalize. As I indicated above, my positions have 'evolved' as well. Let's face it, if the public tide hadn't already begun to turn, Obama would never have spoken up for marriage equality. I would say, a majority of the country 'evolved' on the issue of gay marriage.
Btw - 40 years isn't a 'short time ago' by any stretch of the imagination.
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