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He is doing amazingly well considering all of the above plus the fact that less than a year ago he had almost zero name recognition and he is going up against a political dynasty.
And in hindsight he would have done better if he labeled himself an "Independent" instead of a "Democratic Socialist". Most low information voters do not know the difference between a socialist and a communist.
Agreed. The "socialist" label is a killer. It's fine to be "really, really liberal" in Democratic primaries but not "socialist."
All things considered, Bernie has exceeded any and all expectations coming in.
lol. His "openly socialist agenda" (+his gay agenda?) is supported by the majority of Americans according to polls.
You shouldnt believe for a second that African Americans would have flocked to Sanders from Clinton if Clinton was the one who campaigned for $15 minimum wage by 2020 while Sanders chose $12. If anything, Clinton would have received even MORE support than the 80% or so she has received from the African American community if she had gone in a Sanders/social democratic direction. The truth is that your plutocrat agenda is dying and the economic royalists who control the elections are in panic mode. Their propaganda is failing heavily among the people under 40.
You don't know or understand America. Everything you belive in is wishful thinking. You would hope things to be that way (plutocrat agenda dying...) but they aren't. The AA community strongly opposes the gay agenda but that's just one point in the big picture. Once you get away from the north east and some parts of the west coast, you'll meet the other America. Even in states Sanders won the primaries, like Oklahoma, his chances are slim in general elections. And it's interesting how this old man that has been there forever and nobody took seriously, has now become "the future" of folks like you. BTW, isn't his platform openly socialist? Am I wrong to define him so?
Anyway, we'll talk again in 2-3 weeks.
You don't know or understand America. Everything you belive in is wishful thinking. You would hope things to be that way (plutocrat agenda dying...) but they aren't. The AA community strongly opposes the gay agenda but that's just one point in the big picture. Once you get away from the north east and some parts of the west coast, you'll meet the other America. Even in states Sanders won the primaries, like Oklahoma, his chances are slim in general elections. And it's interesting how this old man that has been there forever and nobody took seriously, has now become "the future" of folks like you. BTW, isn't his platform openly socialist? Am I wrong to define him so?
Anyway, we'll talk again in 2-3 weeks.
Openly socialist? What does that even mean? Workers owning the places they work? You mean he advocates that everyone should have the same color PJs?
Nope. Read and learn and stop listening to corporate media. You pay to be lied to.
Northeast? Is Minnesota northeast? He won by 24 points. Nebraska and Kansas? Colorado? He got the same number of delegates as Clinton in Illinois and Michigan. Hardly the northeast.
Sanders is beating Trump by 20 points in Michigan, a state Sanders won, despite Sanders losing heavily among African Americans. If you honestly believe African Americans would flee from Clinton if she advocated banning private prisons, medicare-for-all and a $15 minimum wage you are seriously deluded. The vote because of the Clinton BRAND! Not because they hate social democracy.
Social democracy is coming to America, whether you like it or not, which means a government and economy that works for ALL Americans, not just the wealthy campaign donors and their puppets in government.
Openly socialist? What does that even mean? Workers owning the places they work? You mean he advocates that everyone should have the same color PJs?
Yeah, you know exactly what I mean. Some candidates tried to introduce their socialist agenda disguised in other forms. Bernie is not pretending. He calls it as it is, even if you pretend "not understanding".
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Nope. Read and learn and stop listening to corporate media. You pay to be lied to.
Northeast? Is Minnesota northeast? He won by 24 points. Nebraska and Kansas? Colorado? He got the same number of delegates as Clinton in Illinois and Michigan. Hardly the northeast.
Lets stop splitting hairs and wait for the primaries to end. We'll speak again and then maybe you'll understand.
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Sanders is beating Trump by 20 points in Michigan, a state Sanders won, despite Sanders losing heavily among African Americans. If you honestly believe African Americans would flee from Clinton if she advocated banning private prisons, medicare-for-all and a $15 minimum wage you are seriously deluded. The vote because of the Clinton BRAND! Not because they hate social democracy.
I hate to think of Bernie facing Trump. It will be hard to watch and cruel. Don't do that to Bernie. Let him retire happily with his 15 min (or 9 months) of fame.
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Social democracy is coming to America, whether you like it or not, which means a government and economy that works for ALL Americans, not just the wealthy campaign donors and their puppets in government.
You remind me of a similar exchange I had about 4 years ago with another poster. Following participation at a Ron Paul rally, he found his messiah. I advised him to forget about RP, but it didn't help. He was all pumped up, believing there is only one way to save America: electing Ron Paul. He told me that in case Ron Paul doesn't get elected, the US has maximum 6 month before the total collapse. (I hope he got out from under his bed already). I also hope you will be able to separate between wishful thinking and hard reality.
Bernie would be our next President if not for Trump.
Bernie's timing was wrong, Trump (the media *****) has sucked all the energy out of the campaign.
Between Bernie and Trump, almost half the votes are going to outsiders, non establishment candidates.
People are sick and tired of bought and paid for politicians.
But there is not room for two outsiders in the same election cycle.
But despite all of the above, Bernie has come close to an unset and more importantly he has defined the
Democratic discussion.
Yeah, you know exactly what I mean. Some candidates tried to introduce their socialist agenda disguised in other forms. Bernie is not pretending. He calls it as it is, even if you pretend "not understanding".
You are the one who claim Bernie land like Michigan, Colorado, Illinois, Missouri, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Minnesota and Oklahoma are the northeast and the west coast.
Why are you against social security and medicare? Thats the democratic socialism we are talking about. Investing in roads and infrastructure in America instead of endless wars in the middle east and gifts to wealthy special interests. Why exactly are you afraid of this? Its as American as apple pie. True, Sanders is slightly to the right of people like Franklin D Roosevelt but FDR was the most popular president in the last 100 years. People love social democracy.
How many delegates did Ron Paul win? 5 or more than 500 like Bernie? So far, Sanders has won 50 more delegates than Hillary outside of the South. And the Southern democrat voters are NOT against social democracy! They are heavily African American! Opinion polls show that the American people are social democrats, just like Bernie. The ghost of FDR is coming back to haunt you whether you like it or not oberon. But it will be good for you.
He did well with college age children at his rallies. At the voting booth, the adults came out. Sadly they were left with lousy choices.
I wonder if some of the College kiddos were on Spring Break in the March primaries. Sanders did well until this last batch in March. Clinton's base is the Black vote.
The bottom line is that the Democratic establishment (at least in 2016) has much more control over their party than does the GOP establishment. Hence, that is why Democrats were able to avert disaster with a Sanders nomination, whereas the GOP will now have to endure the disastrous consequences of a Trump nomination.
In both parties, the crazies despise the establishment. However, those who run the Democratic establishment have brains, while the same cannot be said about the GOP establishment.
Perhaps in the long run, Trump is actually doing the GOP a favor. After the party's epic loss in November, the current members of the GOP establishment will lose their jobs. Hopefully, a competent and smart GOP establishment will emerge by 2020.
The bottom line is that the Democratic establishment (at least in 2016) has much more control over their party than does the GOP establishment. Hence, that is why Democrats were able to avert disaster with a Sanders nomination, whereas the GOP will now have to endure the disastrous consequences of a Trump nomination.
In both parties, the crazies despise the establishment. However, those who run the Democratic establishment have brains, while the same cannot be said about the GOP establishment.
Perhaps in the long run, Trump is actually doing the GOP a favor. After the party's epic loss in November, the current members of the GOP establishment will lose their jobs. Hopefully, a competent and smart GOP establishment will emerge by 2020.
I have to take exception with some of your comments.
The public has lost faith in the establishment - that does not make them crazy. I don't like Trump but I see why people do like him. If the GOP wants to ignore that, they do so at their own peril.
Sanders supporters are not anarchists who want to tear down the system; they merely see the current system for what it is, unfair to many who don't have money; again that does not make them crazy.
A Sanders nomination would not have been disastrous but (using your own point) may have actually done the Democratic party a favor - like Trump is doing for the Republican in showing them how the Party Establishment is ignoring the needs of many constituents.
Sanders probably would not have been able to win because as a voting bloc the young supporters he has just don't turn out to cast ballots in either Primaries nor the General Election. Although he has succeeded in moving the Democrats in his direction.
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