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Old 03-18-2016, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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Not sure I follow. AZ is as red as it gets when it comes to Presidential elections. They have only voted for a Democrat once since 1948.
Despite the misconceptions of many, Arizona is a far more Libertarian/live and let live state. However, with lots of influx from CA and such, it's becoming more shades of blue I think:

Gallup poll: Arizona not a Republican state - ABC15 Arizona
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Old 03-18-2016, 01:58 PM
 
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Except cruz just got the kiss of a few in the establishment endorsing him. Rubio and bush will tell you how well that worked out, especially since it goes against cruz's narrative of being the rebel/outsider dude. Quite laughable actually.

LMAO - THIS is a kiss?

"I think he's the best alternative to beat Donald Trump," Graham said about Cruz. "I'm going to help Ted in any way I can… He's certainly not my preference, but he's a reliable Republican, conservative, which I've had many differences with," the South Carolina Republican said. "John Kasich is the most viable general election candidate. I just don't see how John gets through the primary. This is an outsider year, and he is an insider."


Gramnesty is following his marching orders from above. Begrudgingly!!
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Old 03-18-2016, 02:04 PM
 
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Despite the misconceptions of many, Arizona is a far more Libertarian/live and let live state. However, with lots of influx from CA and such, it's becoming more shades of blue I think:

Gallup poll: Arizona not a Republican state - ABC15 Arizona
Im sorry, but a state who has only voted democrat ONCE since 1948 is in no way shape or form anywhere close to a blue state lol. That would be like me saying CA is a red state but its all the liberals in LA that mess everything up. I would have more of a point considering CA was a red state from 1952-1988. However, everyone knows CA is solidly blue just as AZ is solidly red. However, Clinton might change that in AZ this year. Trump certainly wont be turning CA red.
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Old 03-18-2016, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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LMAO - THIS is a kiss?

"I think he's the best alternative to beat Donald Trump," Graham said about Cruz. "I'm going to help Ted in any way I can… He's certainly not my preference, but he's a reliable Republican, conservative, which I've had many differences with," the South Carolina Republican said. "John Kasich is the most viable general election candidate. I just don't see how John gets through the primary. This is an outsider year, and he is an insider."


Gramnesty is following his marching orders from above. Begrudgingly!!
Perhaps a peck on the cheek then? Hilarious "endorsement" though!

How about this endorsement?

South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley: I'm praying for Cruz win - CNNPolitics.com

"My hope and prayer is that Sen. Cruz can come through so that he can push through and really get to where he needs to go ... we do want a strong leader. We do want somebody that's conservative," she said, according to the video published by The State newspaper in Columbia.

So we have a prayer, not a full endorsement?!? Can't make this stuff up!

But not surprising when the establishment is losing their positions of influence/power. Desperation is the end result.

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Im sorry, but a state who has only voted democrat ONCE since 1948 is in no way shape or form anywhere close to a blue state lol. That would be like me saying CA is a red state but its all the liberals in LA that mess everything up. I would have more of a point considering CA was a red state from 1952-1988. However, everyone knows CA is solidly blue just as AZ is solidly red.
States change over time as you say.

With that said, Janet Napolitano, a Democrat, was our governor from 2003-2009. Cities like Phoenix lean more Democrat and the suburbs lean more republican just like in most places. In some suburban cities here, there is a small but fairly powerful LDS/Mormon presence that is involved with poltiics. On the other side, cities like Flagstaff is more liberal as is Tucson. Bernie is campaigning up in Flagstaff I heard so that shows you.

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Old 03-18-2016, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Wow, interesting .Des haven't won there in . . . . . how many decades?

Mick
Other than Tucson, it's Republican territory - open carry laws, want a wall on its southern border. Wouldn't be surprised if Ariz would support Trump or Cruz versus Clinton or Sanders.
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Old 03-18-2016, 02:16 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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It seems that the "Trump effect" is bad news for the GOP (not surprisingly). I have also seen polls showing the Dem Senate candidate (Kirkpatrick) coming shockingly close to McCain ... a 1% margin. This is not good news for the GOP's hopes to keep the Senate.
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Old 03-18-2016, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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Well, Arizona is a state that seems to be trending blue - mostly due to the combination of a growing Hispanic population and a Republican Party devoted to finding new and creative ways to alienate non-whites - but only very slowly.

That said (and I say this as a Clinton supporter), I would be highly distrustful of this poll.

Frankly, general election polls taken in April tend to be worthless. Now, if every single poll coming out of Arizona showed the state a toss-up, then it would get my attention... though I'd still take them with a grain of salt. But just one? There at least two polls in 2012 that showed President Obama leading Governor Romney in Arizona, and another that showed the race a dead heat (all from the same pollster). And we all know how that turned out.

On the other hand, I do think the power of Trump to turn this election into a wave election for Team Blue is definitely there.

Just my $0.02.

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It seems that the "Trump effect" is bad news for the GOP (not surprisingly). I have also seen polls showing the Dem Senate candidate (Kirkpatrick) coming shockingly close to McCain ... a 1% margin. This is not good news for the GOP's hopes to keep the Senate.
That's partly a measure of how unpopular John McCain is with the Arizona GOP (which after all, censured him in 2014 for not being unhinged enough).

McCain... Romney... Trump... the Republican Party sure has a knack for selecting Presidential nominees that the bulk of their voting base despises!
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Old 03-19-2016, 04:38 AM
 
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I think that Clinton is favored to win AZ in November. I also feel this way about two other Romney states: GA & NC. Furthermore, I truly think that Clinton has about a 50/50 chance in IN, MO, and TX (and perhaps MT as well).

What is really sad is that Trump will be so bad for the GOP that he will drag down the great John McCain (in his re-election bid to the Senate). This is highly ironic, given Trump's disgraceful comments about McCain's war record.
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Old 03-19-2016, 04:43 AM
 
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I think that Clinton is favored to win AZ in November. I also feel this way about two other Romney states: GA & NC. Furthermore, I truly think that Clinton has about a 50/50 chance in IN, MO, and TX (and perhaps MT as well).

What is really sad is that Trump will be so bad for the GOP that he will drag down the great John McCain (in his re-election bid to the Senate). This is highly ironic, given Trump's disgraceful comments about McCain's war record.
Don't tell this to the Trumpets. They think he is sailing to a landslide victory and Hillary is headed to jail. lololol ... this is what happens when you build a base on denying science, logic and reason.
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Old 03-19-2016, 04:49 AM
 
Location: Dothan AL
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Not sure I follow. AZ is as red as it gets when it comes to Presidential elections. They have only voted for a Democrat once since 1948.
Trumpis not a typical red
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