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Old 03-31-2016, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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The way it works is that Trump surpasses the 1,237 before the convention, or the remaining delegates are going to kick him to the curb and pick someone else, with that someone else almost certainly being Ted Cruz.

Watch and learn, young padwan.
Nope, if they can get away without the results of the first ballot being binding, then all bets are off. The Republican establishment might support Cruz right now, as the most likely path to prevent Trump from getting to 1237. But that doesn't mean they want him to be their nominee if they can help it. And if they get to a second ballot, I would be shocked if some establishment candidate isn't in the mix. Romney, Ryan, who knows. But somebody who is neither Trump nor Cruz.
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Old 03-31-2016, 12:36 PM
 
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Actually I've come to learn that not all delegates are released after the first ballot. About 25% of them are still bound even on the 2nd ballot. So Trump still starts ahead of everyone else, but it would still be a free for all.
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Old 03-31-2016, 01:26 PM
 
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The RNC in Alaska has decided to re-"call" the Republican primary and reassign delegates since they consider Rubio to have dropped out.
In recent days Rubio has said he is trying hard to keep all his delegates. He wants a presence at the convention and may be vaguely hoping that his delegates could be given to Cruz in return for V.P.
They are going to have to change the rules to get Kasich eligible because he has not won 8 states. Guess who changed the rules for the previous convention(s)? Yep good ole Romney.
Cruz has stated that if they try to steal it from he or Trump the convention floor will be a riot.
This convention if contested could be something we have never seen in our lifetime. As I read days ago the actual deal making could be done before the date of the convention.
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Old 03-31-2016, 01:36 PM
 
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They are going to have to change the rules to get Kasich eligible because he has not won 8 states. Guess who changed the rules for the previous convention(s)? Yep good ole Romney.
Cruz has stated that if they try to steal it from he or Trump the convention floor will be a riot.
This convention if contested could be something we have never seen in our lifetime. As I read days ago the actual deal making could be done before the date of the convention.
Here's some updated info for you about Rule 40(b):

Party officials and knowledgeable sources have confirmed over the past few days that Rule 40(b) doesn't exist for the purposes of the upcoming convention. That means at this point, the three candidates left in the race, front-runner Donald Trump, Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, and Ohio Gov. John Kasich, are all eligible for the nomination, as, possibly, are the Republican contenders who have since suspended their campaigns.

Ben Ginsberg, a Republican elections lawyer who was involved in rule-making process for the 2012 convention, said that Rule 40(b) isn't transferrable to the 2016 convention. Ginsberg explained to the Washington Examiner that what was passed in 2012 applied only to 2012, and that the 2016 convention must pass its own rule determining nomination eligibilty.

RNC Chairman Reince Priebus confirmed Ginsberg's assessment on Sunday during a television interview. "There will always be a perception problem if people continue to miss — to not explain the process properly. So, the 2012 rules committee writes the rules for the 2012 convention. The 2016 rules committee writes the rules for the 2016 convention," he told CNN.
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Old 03-31-2016, 03:31 PM
 
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Here's some updated info for you about Rule 40(b):

Party officials and knowledgeable sources have confirmed over the past few days that Rule 40(b) doesn't exist for the purposes of the upcoming convention. That means at this point, the three candidates left in the race, front-runner Donald Trump, Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, and Ohio Gov. John Kasich, are all eligible for the nomination, as, possibly, are the Republican contenders who have since suspended their campaigns.

Ben Ginsberg, a Republican elections lawyer who was involved in rule-making process for the 2012 convention, said that Rule 40(b) isn't transferrable to the 2016 convention. Ginsberg explained to the Washington Examiner that what was passed in 2012 applied only to 2012, and that the 2016 convention must pass its own rule determining nomination eligibilty.

RNC Chairman Reince Priebus confirmed Ginsberg's assessment on Sunday during a television interview. "There will always be a perception problem if people continue to miss — to not explain the process properly. So, the 2012 rules committee writes the rules for the 2012 convention. The 2016 rules committee writes the rules for the 2016 convention," he told CNN.
Good.

Where does that leave the Romney-ites who want P. Ryan to steal it?
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Old 03-31-2016, 04:55 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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I'll answer it this way.

Lets assume you are a party faithful and an elected unbound delegate. You are going to vote on the first ballot and your choice is Trump or Cruz. Lets also assume that you don't like Trump. Since you are a party faithful with intentions to protect the party do you vote

  • For Trump because even though you don't like him, he is the party's best chance for beating Hillary Clinton.
or
  • Do you vote for Cruz because in doing so, it may deny Trump the nomination for a "real" Republican to take the spot, even though the resulting s**tstorm will no doubt destroy the party's chances from taking the WH and may cost it much more.
Your choice.

This is the decision that every unbound delegate will have to make.
You left off an option:
  • Vote for Cruz because even though you don't like him, he is the party's better chance for beating Hillary Clinton of the two.
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Old 03-31-2016, 09:08 PM
 
Location: By The Beach In Maine
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You left off an option:
  • Vote for Cruz because even though you don't like him, he is the party's better chance for beating Hillary Clinton of the two.
He doesn't have a chance. The majority of Trump supporters are not going to vote for Cruz. A vote for Cruz is a win for Hillary.
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