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So are the Arizona delegates locked in for Trump on the first ballot right now or not ?
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Originally Posted by Smash255
Yes they are locked for Trump on the first ballot, and nothing Cruz is doing currently can or will change that.
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Originally Posted by leftee
As I thought, so Cruz is trying to steal them in case of a second ballot.
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Originally Posted by Smash255
The delegates are only bound on the first ballot (some states are a little longer), so they can vote for whoever they want. It isn't stealing, since they are no longer bound to Trump at that point. Every candidate has the ability to do the exact same thing.
once again leftee, you need to understand how a brokered convention works. the delegates are bound to their candidate on the first ballot only. once the first ballot is cast, if trump does not have enough delegates to win the nomination, the delegates are then released from the obligation and are free to vote for whomever they wish on the second and subsequent ballots. thus no one is "stealing" delegates on the second ballot.
once again leftee, you need to understand how a brokered convention works. the delegates are bound to their candidate on the first ballot only. once the first ballot is cast, if trump does not have enough delegates to win the nomination, the delegates are then released from the obligation and are free to vote for whomever they wish on the second and subsequent ballots. thus no one is "stealing" delegates on the second ballot.
Thanks for repeating what 6 people have already said.
Ted has no game period and that is why the GOP hates him as done most of the electorate. Too many lies, too short a time ...
That reply reeks of desperation, more than a character slam.
I told all you guys long ago, right after Ted took the Senate office, he would be the republican to run for President. I got told he would not even get close.
He is a lot closer than anyone even imagined... even than "The Donald" imagined.
Hmm. Ron Paul, Ground Game? When did he ever win a nomination? This speaks for itself too.
If it goes to the 2nd ballot, Cruz won't be getting to 1275. First all, not all the delegates become unbound, and 2nd there is no guarantee they will be voting for Cruz.
There is a reason they changed the ruled 3 times on the fly, one being lowering the delegate requirement and no chance of a second vote on convention floor..... So Ron Paul, would not get a second vote, if the first vote was contested.
Isn't it interesting that Trump is concentrating on getting the 1237 needed to WIN while Cruz, knowing he will never get to 1237, is concentrating on how to rig the system in his favor after the first vote...What a sleeze bag!
Trump certainly has more to offer the delegates than Cruz but he is trying to win the election fair and square.
Rig the system? You do not remember what they did to get Romney in there over Ron Paul?
They changed the rules on the fly 3 times.
Checks and balances from mob rule!
With no establishment guy, they the establishment is having to hold their nose and pick the lesser of 2 evils for once, putting a kink to their bought and paid for, global take-over.
Ted, is no Establishment. Trump is a more Progressive Establishment type, than Ted ever will be.
"Flexible" One word says it all..... Bait & switch!
There is a reason they changed the ruled 3 times on the fly, one being lowering the delegate requirement and no chance of a second vote on convention floor..... So Ron Paul, would not get a second vote, if the first vote was contested.
This time the two candidates that will qualify under the current rule are going to team up through their representatives to the rules committee (which they will dominate) to make sure that this rule, or a rule with similar effect, is approved by the committee. The effect will be to keep Kasich or anyone else from being nominated who did not meet an adequate threshold of victory.
In fact, they may allow the standard to be changed back to what it was previously, which was wins by a plurality in five states, as that would also limit the field to Trump and Cruz. Ron Paul would have met that standard, but none of the current candidates other than Trump or Cruz will.
No doubt the establishment sorts would like to ramrod one of their favorites into the mix. However, this whole process is going to receive so much more scrutiny than we have ever seen before that they will basically have to be ready to openly tell Republican party voters, on television, that they really are not interested in voting and that they have no intention of respecting that part of the process.
It really does challenge the limits of belief to imagine them actually doing this. It would literally be the greatest political corruption scandal we have ever seen. In fact, it would be hard to one-up such an act short of an outright coup-de-tat on the American government.
Truth be told, I really do not believe these establishment sorts have the balls.
I liked Cruz before he was running for President but now he reminds me of a modern-day Richard Nixon, a power-hungry Machiavellian who will say / do anything to win and then run around with that holier-than-thou attitude. The only chance he has is a brokered convention and he'll just alienate the Trump supporters if he pulls that.
He keeps saying he is the only one who can beat Hillary but, sorry, he can't beat Hillary without the Trump voters. No one can beat Hillary without the Trump supporters.
I liked Cruz before he was running for President but now he reminds me of a modern-day Richard Nixon, a power-hungry Machiavellian who will say / do anything to win and then run around with that holier-than-thou attitude. The only chance he has is a brokered convention and he'll just alienate the Trump supporters if he pulls that.
He keeps saying he is the only one who can beat Hillary but, sorry, he can't beat Hillary without the Trump voters. No one can beat Hillary without the Trump supporters.
And Trump cannot beat Hillary without voters other than Trump voters. But that is pretty much all the voters he is going to get. So Trump loses.
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