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Old 04-04-2016, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Well, there are differences between a politician with real power (like a president) and a politician like Bernie sanders. If Bernie Sanders ends up winning, (I am not suggesting he would), it would be much easier to push his agenda.

I strongly disagree with your bolded

November 1993: Sanders votes against the Clinton-era North American Free Trade Agreement. Returning from a tour of factories in Mexico, Sanders says: “If NAFTA passes, corporate profits will soar because it will be even easier than now for American companies to flee to Mexico and hire workers there for starvation wages.”

July 1996: Sanders is one of only 67 (out of 435, 15%) votes against the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act, which denied federal benefits to same-sex couples legally married. Sanders urged the Supreme Court to throw out the law, which it did in a landmark 2013 ruling – some 17 years later.

July 1999: Standing up against the major pharmaceutical companies, Sanders becomes the first member of Congress to personally take seniors across the border to Canada to buy lower-cost prescription drugs. The congressman continues his bus trips to Canada with a group of breast cancer patients the following April. These brave women are able to purchase their medications in Canada for almost one-tenth the price charged in the States.

and list goes on

Revisionist history re: the bolded. Bernie objected to it on a states rights basis, but continued to be against same sex marriage (he spoke in favor of civil union instead) until 2009. He was not some early pioneer in favor of same sex marriage.

Bernie Sanders on marriage equality: He’s no longtime champion.

Bernie Sanders Was No 'Pioneer' On Same-Sex Marriage

Bernie Sanders: Gay Marriage Record Not as Simple As He Says
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Old 04-04-2016, 10:12 AM
 
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Sanders has been in the congress for many years but failed to accomplish much and hence he was not known well outside of Vermont or New England.
baloney. He is the longest serving independent in United States Congress. And the most popular senator in the United States. Vermonters love him and even made her not viable so he got all the delegates. He has done very, very well.

Tell us which independent member of Congress has ever done more for the people in US history?

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Old 04-04-2016, 10:19 AM
 
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Revisionist history re: the bolded. Bernie objected to it on a states rights basis, but continued to be against same sex marriage (he spoke in favor of civil union instead) until 2009. He was not some early pioneer in favor of same sex marriage.

Bernie Sanders on marriage equality: He’s no longtime champion.

Bernie Sanders Was No 'Pioneer' On Same-Sex Marriage

Bernie Sanders: Gay Marriage Record Not as Simple As He Says


NBC's Chuck Todd: Bernie Sanders was 'there' on same-sex marriage 20 years ago | PolitiFact

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As mayor of Burlington, Vt., Sanders supported a gay pride parade in 1983, saying "we must all be committed to the mutual respect of each other’s lifestyle." Sanders also put through a 1984 housing anti-discrimination ordinance that protected people based on "his or her sexual preference."

Same-sex marriage was not on the legislative table in the mid 1990s. When Todd said Bernie was on board before it was popular, the survey numbers back him up. In 1996, Gallup found that 68 percent of the public opposed marriage between couples of the same sex.

On DOMA itself, Sanders was part of a smaller group of opponents, just 67. The bill passed and President Bill Clinton signed it in September.

NBC's Chuck Todd said that Sanders was "there" 20 years ago on the issue of same-sex marriage. What we found specific to same-sex marriage is that Sanders opposed defining marriage exclusively as between a man and a woman. He expressed that opinion through his votes, and in conversations with activists in his state.

Todd’s claim is accurate. We rate it True.
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Old 04-04-2016, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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baloney. He is the longest serving independent in United States Congress.
Yep-25+ year congresscritter. The ultimate establishment candidate.

Just when did he actually have a productive job?
How many businesses has he started?
How many people do they employ?
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Old 04-04-2016, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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I don't agree with Politifact on this one - I'm not denying Bernie was in favor of gay rights in general. But I believe the 3 separate links I posted show that it's overreaching to say he was in favor of same sex marriage when what he explicitly stated his support was for civil unions. There is a difference between separate but equal civil unions and true marriage equality. Bernie was for the former rather than the latter.
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Old 04-04-2016, 10:32 AM
 
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https://youtu.be/OxtilIOofbA

Heard from someone else working across the street from today's Green Bay rally site that it's also empty.

Have people heard enough?
Recent polling has Bernie with a net negative favorability. However, the same can be said for Hillary, Cruz and especially Trump. Kasich is the only candidate left with a positive favorability and he is going no where!
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Old 04-04-2016, 10:56 AM
 
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Recent polling has Bernie with a net negative favorability. However, the same can be said for Hillary, Cruz and especially Trump. Kasich is the only candidate left with a positive favorability and he is going no where!
Sanders beats Kasich by 3 points in the latest general election matchup, while Hillary loses to Kasich by 7 points. Sanders beats Cruz by 12 points and Hillary beats him by 5 points.
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Old 04-04-2016, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I don't agree with Politifact on this one - I'm not denying Bernie was in favor of gay rights in general. But I believe the 3 separate links I posted show that it's overreaching to say he was in favor of same sex marriage when what he explicitly stated his support was for civil unions. There is a difference between separate but equal civil unions and true marriage equality. Bernie was for the former rather than the latter.
By all measures, Sanders was ahead of his time in supporting gay rights. In 1983, as mayor of Burlington, he signed a Gay Pride Day proclamation calling it a civil rights issue. He was one of just 67 members in the House of Representatives to vote against the Defense of Marriage Act, a politically tough decision he prides himself on and points to as a key progressive bona fide. Sanders opposed Don’t Ask Don’t Tell in 1993, another President Bill Clinton-era policy, and supported civil unions in Vermont in 2000.

“I’m not evolving when it comes to gay rights. I was there,” Sanders told the New York Times earlier this year.

This said, I will give ANYBODY a pass even if they evolved or changed or whatever word you would like to use.

My parents, grandparents were all against gay marriage in the past, but now, they are all for it. People change because society changes. They were all against gay life style (whatever that means) in the past, but now, they think gays and lesbians can do whatever they want to do as long as they don't hurt others.

Time has changed, religion (yes even religion) can evolve. gay marriage is legal in this country, so can we all move on now?
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Old 04-04-2016, 10:58 AM
 
Location: On the Edge of the Fringe
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I wish he would go away. His brand of post-communistic socialism is not appropriate or welcome in this country. Perhaps he could go work on Cuba if he needed something to do.
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Old 04-04-2016, 11:05 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Yep....what he voted against is at least as notable as what he voted for.
Like that pesky crime bill that he likes to blame Hillary for even though she wasn't in a position to vote at the time.

But whatevs
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