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By all measures, Sanders was ahead of his time in supporting gay rights. In 1983, as mayor of Burlington, he signed a Gay Pride Day proclamation calling it a civil rights issue. He was one of just 67 members in the House of Representatives to vote against the Defense of Marriage Act, a politically tough decision he prides himself on and points to as a key progressive bona fide. Sanders opposed Don’t Ask Don’t Tell in 1993, another President Bill Clinton-era policy, and supported civil unions in Vermont in 2000.
“I’m not evolving when it comes to gay rights. I was there,” Sanders told the New York Times earlier this year.
This said, I will give ANYBODY a pass even if they evolved or changed or whatever word you would like to use.
My parents, grandparents were all against gay marriage in the past, but now, they are all for it. People change because society changes. They were all against gay life style (whatever that means) in the past, but now, they think gays and lesbians can do whatever they want to do as long as they don't hurt others.
Time has changed, religion (yes even religion) can evolve. gay marriage is legal in this country, so can we all move on now?
that's fine, as long as people give all candidates the right to evolve on issues. I personally agree that it's ok to grown and change over time.* Unfortunately, most people don't seem to believe it's ok if Hillary has evolved on anything, she just gets called a liar, flip flopper, etc.
* I will reserve the right to exclude Trump from this, because he "evolves" positions within minutes, even seconds these days. That's a little too much.
I wish he would go away. His brand of post-communistic socialism is not appropriate or welcome in this country. Perhaps he could go work on Cuba if he needed something to do.
Speak for yourself. Nothing Sanders has proposed is particularly "socialistic", "inappropriate" or "unwelcome" except to Right Wing facists who would prefer to see most Americans forced into Third World life-styles so that the wealthy can get richer.
Speak for yourself. Nothing Sanders has proposed is particularly "socialistic", "inappropriate" or "unwelcome" except to Right Wing facists who would prefer to see most Americans forced into Third World life-styles so that the wealthy can get richer.
If it was just "right wing fascists" that had a problem with Bernie he would be well in the lead right now.
Seems there must be a lot of "left wing fascists" also.
that's fine, as long as people give all candidates the right to evolve on issues. I personally agree that it's ok to grown and change over time.* Unfortunately, most people don't seem to believe it's ok if Hillary has evolved on anything, she just gets called a liar, flip flopper, etc.
* I will reserve the right to exclude Trump from this, because he "evolves" positions within minutes, even seconds these days. That's a little too much.
Depends on what issue.
Example, gay marriage, yes, people do evolve.
But if it is something as big as a war, example, iraq war. You cannot just say oops, now I realized I made a mistake. and expect people to just forget about it that easy. Also, if you want people to believe that you are a candidate with foreign policy experience, then don't make mistake as big as voting for iraq war. That is why bush family is out. lol. Clinton is still here. makes you go.. hmmm....
If I were a Clinton supporter, I would refrain from calling her a candidate with foreign policy experiences. I will call you out every single time I see it. (you means the general term you, not you personally)
If it was just "right wing fascists" that had a problem with Bernie he would be well in the lead right now.
Seems there must be a lot of "left wing fascists" also.
Sorry, but labeling a political opponent as a Communist or a socialist like it was the equivalent to being a criminal or pervert is the province of the Right, from the days of Joe McCarthy to the present.
But if it is something as big as a war, example, iraq war. You cannot just say oops, now I realized I made a mistake. and expect people to just forget about it that easy. Also, if you want people to believe that you are a candidate with foreign policy experience, then don't make mistake as big as voting for iraq war. That is why bush family is out. lol. Clinton is still here. makes you go.. hmmm....
If I were a Clinton supporter, I would refrain from calling her a candidate with foreign policy experiences. I will call you out every single time I see it. (you means the general term you, not you personally)
That's nonsense. Bush claimed to have "reliable" evidence that Iraq had WMDs. He told that to Congress and to the American people, just like Johnson claimed the Gulf of Tonkin "incident" justified sending more combat troops to Vietnam. Both POTUS lied to Congress and the public to get what they wanted. Recognizing you've been duped and admitting it is preferable to stubbornly defending an indefensible position, especially when hindsight is always 20-20 compared to foresight.
FTR, yes, Hillary Clinton does have foreign policy experience as she was Secretary of State from 2009 to 2013, just as Condeleeza Rice has foreign policy experience from her policy making position as National Security advisor and later Secretary of State in the Bush administration.
That's nonsense. Bush claimed to have "reliable" evidence that Iraq had WMDs. He told that to Congress and to the American people, just like Johnson claimed the Gulf of Tonkin "incident" justified sending more combat troops to Vietnam. Both POTUS lied to Congress and the public to get what they wanted. Recognizing you've been duped and admitting it is preferable to stubbornly defending an indefensible position, especially when hindsight is always 20-20 compared to foresight.
FTR, yes, Hillary Clinton does have foreign policy experience as she was Secretary of State from 2009 to 2013, just as Condeleeza Rice has foreign policy experience from her policy making position as National Security advisor and later Secretary of State in the Bush administration.
That is non-sense. Hillary Clinton is equal guilty for voting yes. GET OVER IT. She voted YES YES YES. BAD experiences all right. This country can live WITHOUT those 'experiences'
Talk to the people who are died. buddy.
The Democrats who voted to support the war and rationalized that vote by making false claims about Iraq's WMD programs - a minority of Democrats, but much over-represented in Democratic leadership councils - were responsible for allowing the Bush administration to get away with lying about Iraq's alleged threat.
By contrast, in regard to the resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq, Congress had many months to investigate and debate the administration's claims that Iraq was a threat as well as the likely implications of a US invasion. Members of Congress also fully recognized that the resolution authorized a full-scale invasion of a sovereign nation and a subsequent military occupation of an indefinite period.
That is non-sense. Hillary Clinton is equal guilty for voting yes. GET OVER IT. She voted YES YES YES. BAD experiences all right. This country can live WITHOUT those 'experiences'
Talk to the people who are died. buddy.
The Democrats who voted to support the war and rationalized that vote by making false claims about Iraq's WMD programs - a minority of Democrats, but much over-represented in Democratic leadership councils - were responsible for allowing the Bush administration to get away with lying about Iraq's alleged threat.
By contrast, in regard to the resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq, Congress had many months to investigate and debate the administration's claims that Iraq was a threat as well as the likely implications of a US invasion. Members of Congress also fully recognized that the resolution authorized a full-scale invasion of a sovereign nation and a subsequent military occupation of an indefinite period.
BTW - the familes of soldiers that died in Iraq knew who to blame. They blamed George Bush.
again, you claim to speak for ALL soldiers that died in iraq and their families. I found it sad. I blame both, and I will never change on that. Anybody who voted yes, and never learned from it.
again, you claim to speak for ALL soldiers that died in iraq and their families. I found it sad. I blame both, and I will never change on that. Anybody who voted yes, and never learned from it.
Yep-there is absolutely no excuse.
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