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Old 04-04-2016, 12:45 PM
 
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You will vote for Clinton, I can accept that and respect that too. I am not here to change your mind or anybody's minds. But I will say this, Clinton is another neoconservative hawk who voted yes on Iraq war. This is a fact. did she learn from her mistake, I can only hope she did.
The later war in Libya, which destroyed that country, and the coup in Honduras, both of which she pushed for, show she hasnt really learned much.
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Old 04-04-2016, 12:48 PM
 
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Okay. I agree.

I have a loved one and many friends are still in service. Enlisted, not officers. Many hold combat mos.

They are not in love with Hillary clinton, or Republicans. so I don't know what to do at this point.
Maybe show them this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceKSqe_9aGs
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Old 04-04-2016, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Thank you.

I read an article online says that Ron Paul explained that he could work with Sanders on foreign policy issues. Both were vocal opponents of the Iraq War, and Sanders is far less of an interventionist than Hillary Clinton. Paul even went so far as to say that having a progressive as president might be a good thing. Ron Paul also said Sanders is more free market candidate. So we'll see.
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Old 04-04-2016, 12:54 PM
 
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did she learn from her mistake, I can only hope she did.
Hillary hasn't learned anything.

If the Iraq war had been a resounding success she would be crowing about her support for it, in spite of the fact that -- success or no -- there was little real reason to go in.

The only reason she regrets it now is because of the disaster it's turning out to be.

She learned nothing, which is why we also bombed khaddafi on her watch as secretary of state. Libya is a "little iraq" in terms of the outcome.

When it comes to foreign policy, she has neocon warhawk tendencies.

"We came, we saw, he died!"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DXDU48RHLU

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Old 04-04-2016, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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https://youtu.be/OxtilIOofbA

Heard from someone else working across the street from today's Green Bay rally site that it's also empty.

Have people heard enough?
I would guess a lot of people have made up their minds, others fear violence and it also has to do with the population in the area, young, older, working and commuting distance from where the rally takes place.

I don't believe that Bernie's popularity is fading. I think he has started a trend that will stick with us and many will regret not voting for him if Hillary become POTUS.
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Old 04-04-2016, 01:04 PM
 
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Actually, I just saw a poll released today on Realclearpolitics where Sanders has closed in and was just 1 point behind Hillary nationally.
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Old 04-04-2016, 01:05 PM
 
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Wants to open borders encourage America's growth.
Show me where Bernie wants to "open borders"?

He's against NAFTA ... and this is what he had to say about "open borders" in a recent Vox interview:

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Bernie Sanders
Open borders? No, that's a Koch brothers proposal.

Ezra Klein
Really?

Bernie Sanders
Of course. That's a right-wing proposal, which says essentially there is no United States. ...

Ezra Klein
But it would make ...

Bernie Sanders
Excuse me ...

Ezra Klein
It would make a lot of global poor richer, wouldn't it?

Bernie Sanders
It would make everybody in America poorer —you're doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don't think there's any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don't believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs.
Here's the full interview... And, for what it's worth, below that is a clip of bernie coming out against amnesty in 2007. I think it's unfair to characterize him as being for "open borders", which would go exactly against the economic policies that he's proposing (ie., protecting U.S. workers).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5vOKKMipSA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38M9vfg4TPE
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Old 04-04-2016, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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No there is no excuse. I understand mistake can be made, even for politicians, but has she learned from her past mistake? Oh well.. who knows?

This is her answer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIiAsXhMJCI
Mmh, I'm sure that answer sounds great to some people, but I just can't take her at her word on this.

There is a reason war corporations are spending more money on her than any other candidate.
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Old 04-04-2016, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Mmh, I'm sure that answer sounds great to some people, but I just can't take her at her word on this.

There is a reason war corporations are spending more money on her than any other candidate.
I completely agree with you.
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Old 04-04-2016, 03:33 PM
 
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Show me where Bernie wants to "open borders"?

He's against NAFTA ... and this is what he had to say about "open borders" in a recent Vox interview:



Here's the full interview... And, for what it's worth, below that is a clip of bernie coming out against amnesty in 2007. I think it's unfair to characterize him as being for "open borders", which would go exactly against the economic policies that he's proposing (ie., protecting U.S. workers).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5vOKKMipSA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38M9vfg4TPE
https://berniesanders.com/a-fair-and...ration-policy/
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