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Old 04-05-2016, 02:04 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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All of my fears about Sanders confirmed in one article. He has great speeches and absolutely no knowledge of how to accomplish ANY of them.


It's basically his life story.
In theory, his ideology is admirable. He wants the wealthy to pay their fair share and the system to stop working against the poor and middle class. He wants everyone to get free health care. However, it's how he plans to go about it that has always concerned me.
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:22 PM
 
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He wants everyone to get free health care.
No he doesnt. Thats a GOP talking point.

Bernie wants everyone to get free pension, free this free that. No. Its called medicare and social security. To expand medicare and social security is not free anything. Neither medicare nor social security is free. He wants universal taxes for a universal social safety net, so people can live in dignity.
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:46 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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BTW guess who also works for The Washington Post LOL Also here is another article covering how The Clintons buy power and favors.

//www.city-data.com/forum/elect...alty-33-a.html


Perhaps you will find another excuse not to face the truth or corruption, as they say..........
Topic is not about Clintons. Topic is about Bernie Sanders.
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Old 04-05-2016, 03:20 PM
 
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No he doesnt. Thats a GOP talking point.

Bernie wants everyone to get free pension, free this free that. No. Its called medicare and social security. To expand medicare and social security is not free anything. Neither medicare nor social security is free. He wants universal taxes for a universal social safety net, so people can live in dignity.
Could you be just a little more inconsistent? You correctly note that "neither medicare nor social security is free"; you even tacitly acknowledge that "universal taxes" [whatever that means] is the funding source for medicare and social security. But what you want to avoid is the realization that your "social safety net" is really where the freebies come into play.

How about being totally honest and disclose the Bernie agenda - buy the votes of the majority by offering "free this and that" by disenfranchising a minority to fund those freebies. With such a game-plan, it's a miracle Republicans can compete at all! However, you have to ask yourself, how long can that Gravy-train be maintained before there is a total collapse and the minority supporting that system say "enough is enough".
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Old 04-05-2016, 06:08 PM
 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ews-interview/

I'll actually call it 8, because that last one was a gotcha question to highlight that Bernie is not a subway-riding New Yorker. I'll concede that Hillary isn't a subway rider either, although my guess is that she is aware that tokens have been phased out in favor of a Metrocard.

But lighter moments aside, it was astonishing to me to read Bernie's replies, particularly about the centerpiece of his entire campaign, and to acknowledge that he has no real idea of how banks would actually be broken up and the legal implications of that.

Everytime Sanders appears on my TV, I change the channel. So I don't really know what Sanders has to say, I do know he looks old and dumb.
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Old 04-05-2016, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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lol wow
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Old 04-05-2016, 06:19 PM
 
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No he doesnt. Thats a GOP talking point.

Bernie wants everyone to get free pension, free this free that. No. Its called medicare and social security. To expand medicare and social security is not free anything. Neither medicare nor social security is free. He wants universal taxes for a universal social safety net, so people can live in dignity.
I was generalizing. I am 65 and collecting Social Security (began collecting early) and I received my Medicare card last month. I know it's not free. However, it does not work out equitably. Example: Medicare eligibility only requires that a person work 40 qualified quarters (10 years) I'll skip other possible ways to be covered (i.e., marriage) for the sake of brevity. So if Joe works 50 years and Bob works 11, they both are entitled to the same Medicare benefits. Social Security is an average of your best 35 years of employment, so that's a little different, not so much of an entitlement. I hate to sound selfish because, in my heart, I care about all people, but entitlements are never equally shared. Some people work a lot longer, a lot harder and pay a lot more to get the same benefits, not just wealthy people.
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Old 04-05-2016, 06:22 PM
 
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Could you be just a little more inconsistent? You correctly note that "neither medicare nor social security is free"; you even tacitly acknowledge that "universal taxes" [whatever that means] is the funding source for medicare and social security. But what you want to avoid is the realization that your "social safety net" is really where the freebies come into play.
What? Medicare is part of the social safety net. Its not free. Are you against medicare and social security?

Bernie wants to expand medicare so you no longer have to get ripped off by private insurance companies by adding a payroll tax. Like FDR said:

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“We put those payroll contributions there so as to give the contributors a legal, moral, and political right to collect their pensions and their unemployment benefits. With those taxes in there, no damn politician can ever scrap my social security program”
President Franklin Roosevelt recalling why social security
was based on payroll contributions, 1941

Social Security
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Old 04-05-2016, 06:25 PM
 
Location: London
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So . . ANY unflattering article about Bernie could not possibly be true, yes? Is this the argument you put forth?


Just like Bernie NEVER loses any state - it always STOLEN from him.


None are so blind as those who refuse to see.


You are following a pied piper who has good ideas but hasn't the first damn clue as to how to make ANY OF THEM happen.


What his plan to deal with ISIS? Just focus on the BIG BANKS?
Hopefully to stay out of the drama and focus on matters here rather than making messes in other countries or importing them here.

The US is fortunate to be oceans away from the sources of those problems. All it has to do is be cautious in who is permitted to enter US soil. It's tougher for European countries, since they're connected and much closer to the countries that are hotbeds of these problems.
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Old 04-05-2016, 06:30 PM
 
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Everytime Sanders appears on my TV, I change the channel. So I don't really know what Sanders has to say, I do know he looks old and dumb.
There's nothing dumb about Bernie Sanders. However, I sometimes turn him off because I can't listen to the same old stump speech. When he doesn't have an answer he uses the same well-rehearsed lines. Once in while Hillary Clinton does that too, but not as much.

However, I realize in order to discuss the issues intelligently and choose the right candidate, I need to learn about all the candidates, so I tolerate even those who annoy me.
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