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Old 04-07-2016, 10:48 AM
 
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And meanwhile, in her statements today, she reinforced her willingness to support Bernie should he be the candidate while HIS campaign doubled down on their assertion that she is unqualified.


Not smart, Bernie, not smart.
She intimates her attacks often, while the MSM by proxy makes the most damaging statements

 
Old 04-07-2016, 10:50 AM
 
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The words "sheer and absolute" mean I think he never speaks a word of truth, which is mis-characterizing what I said, I was very clear about the three major things I think he lies about, not 100% of everything he says, although a lot of it since they are major pillars of his campaign.

No, we are talking about his campaign..any descriptive words are to be taken w/in that context...We're not discussing anything else here besides his run for office
 
Old 04-07-2016, 10:51 AM
 
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No, we are talking about his campaign..any descriptive words are to be taken w/in that context...We're not discussing anything else here besides his run for office
Well let me be clear, sometimes Bernie speaks the truth, however on his promises about college tuition, minimum wage, and health care I think he lies a LOT in order to secure votes of people who are vulnerable.
 
Old 04-07-2016, 10:54 AM
 
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She intimates her attacks often, while the MSM by proxy makes the most damaging statements
Bernie has done the vast majority of attacking during this entire campaign - basically insinuating that Hillary accepts bribes. He is no longer nuanced about it.


Hillary took the high road by refusing FOUR TIMES to label Bernie as "unqualified'.


Bernie took the low road. And I don't think it will help him.
 
Old 04-07-2016, 10:54 AM
 
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Do you know what that entails, to price medical costs more fairly?

This in principle would be great, let's try to work on insuring people a little better first and controlling those costs, reduce some overhead.

This is an enormous undertaking.

Bernie's approach is better than Hillary's. She's really not going to make anything better for us I believe since she flip flops so much and so very often only what is most politically expedient for herself
 
Old 04-07-2016, 10:58 AM
 
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And who says that "providing affordable medical care" or free public college tuition, are actually smart long term investments. Why don't we start by fixing the pricing issues in health care instead of trying to build a system that continues the smoke and mirrors of what things actually cost?

Do you know what that entails. This in principle would be great, let's try to work on insuring people a little better first and controlling those costs, reduce some overhead.

This is an enormous undertaking.
Yes, and a good start with health care would be pricing transparency. You cant be oblivious to the reported issues where people have been billed $100s for a tylenol and other atrocities. Why aren't we starting there before we try to "give it away" and let someone else pay for these pricing scams and backwards models?

And no, a "living wage" is not something that in principle would be great, it would have many negative impacts on business owners and employees. Companies dont go into business in order to support their workers lifestyles, they go into business to make money and support their own families and / or stock holders or investors.
 
Old 04-07-2016, 10:59 AM
 
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Bernie has done the vast majority of attacking during this entire campaign - basically insinuating that Hillary accepts bribes. He is no longer nuanced about it.


Hillary took the high road by refusing FOUR TIMES to label Bernie as "unqualified'.


Bernie took the low road. And I don't think it will help him.
The media is her proxy mouthpiece, she may not say the word, but she says everything else to support the statement, she just leaves the main word in her thesis sentence out, we can fill in the blank

She has taken the low road countless times...He's calling her and her minions out
 
Old 04-07-2016, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Do you know what that entails, to price medical costs more fairly?

This in principle would be great, let's try to work on insuring people a little better first and controlling those costs, reduce some overhead.

This is an enormous undertaking.

Bernie's approach is better than Hillary's. She's really not going to make anything better for us I believe since she flip flops so much and so very often only what is most politically expedient for herself
Bernie has a long history of political expediency - including but not limited to his decision to run for the Democratic nomination despite decades of emphatically not being a Democrat.

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Senator Bernie Sanders claims the mantle of revolutionary in self-righteous speeches that echo through large venues of huge audiences. He piously attacks Hillary Clinton as if his own political hands are clean; yet, his political history is filled with his own hypocrisy.
The Phony Revolutionary: Bernie Sanders' Repeated Sellouts for Political Expediency
 
Old 04-07-2016, 11:03 AM
 
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The media is her proxy mouthpiece, she may not say the word, but she says everything else to support the statement, she just leaves the main word in her thesis sentence out, we can fill in the blank

She has taken the low road countless times...He's calling her and her minions out
I strongly disagree. Do you think she writes all the stories in the media? What about all the pro-Bernie stories?


It's a fact that Hillary knows that her words MATTER while Bernie does not have the ability to control his words OR his temper - at all.


Hillary was ASKED to comment on the pretty poor interview that Bernie gave, gave her opinion, refused to call him unqualified and the Berners went NUTS.


Got it.
 
Old 04-07-2016, 11:04 AM
 
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Yes, and a good start with health care would be pricing transparency. You cant be oblivious to the reported issues where people have been billed $100s for a tylenol and other atrocities. Why aren't we starting there before we try to "give it away" and let someone else pay for these pricing scams and backwards models?

And no, a "living wage" is not something that in principle would be great, it would have many negative impacts on business owners and employees. Companies dont go into business in order to support their workers lifestyles, they go into business to make money and support their own families and / or stock holders or investors.
The over pricing is directly related to the insurance industry's interference. It's not just that med prices are determined by demand. The fact that insurance companies allow the cost to be covered by accepting those inflated prices in the first place is a huge part of the problem

Corporations are too big now and can't be characterized like Mom and Pop stores. Increasingly these large corporations are providing everything we buy and rely on, we don't have many true economic alternatives, so many of the places we shop, the things we buy are owned by the same corporation
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