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We'll spend that just trying to maintain a wall, while people who really want to get in will do so anyway, by going over it, under it, around it. Or, they will come on visas and overstay them when they expire, which is how an estimated 40% of illegals arrive here. They come by plane, legally. What will a wall do to stop them? Not a damn thing.
Meanwhile, all of our money will be squandered on maintaining a wall that won't even do what we built it for, while our roads and bridges crumble away because we've wasted all our money maintaining that useless wall.
Stupid, stupid, stupid, anyway you look at it.
Have a link for the 40% you quoted ? 99% of the illegals from Mexico, Central & South America couldn't afford a plane ticket so where are the 40% coming from ? Tourist visas are not easy to get from some countries as well.
Earned Income Tax Credit can't be claimed if you are on welfare so the bad guys buy the SSN's of children of welfare mothers who can't claim the credit, file a tax return and claim the Earned Income Tax Credit as the guardian of the kid.
You think about that when you see all of those unaccompanied minors flooding across the border.
We'll spend that just trying to maintain a wall, while people who really want to get in will do so anyway, by going over it, under it, around it. Or, they will come on visas and overstay them when they expire, which is how an estimated 40% of illegals arrive here. They come by plane, legally. What will a wall do to stop them? Not a damn thing.
Meanwhile, all of our money will be squandered on maintaining a wall that won't even do what we built it for, while our roads and bridges crumble away because we've wasted all our money maintaining that useless wall.
Stupid, stupid, stupid, anyway you look at it.
We definitely have to do something about visa overstays but Mexico is paying for the wall not taxpayers. I think a wall will stop them. Think big high wall with Guard Towers. Look at Hillary Clinton's house in Chappaqua, most prisons, the White House, Israel, gated communities, Area 51. Just put some guys on it with Machine Guns or if you want to make it a moneymaker, after it's built call it The American Wall National Park and make it a paying tourist attraction with tours, musical performances, a Mexican-US History/Cultural museum, TexMex restaurants, a local critters zoo, picnic areas and a hotel. Mexico can do the same thing on the other side.
Ideally, the solution is both a wall and a government crackdown on employers including jail time for repeat offenders. The wall is different things in different places combined with high technology and a large increase in border patrol. If you're imagining a giant wall non stop across the entire border like the Great Wall of China, that's not what this is about. As far as the money goes, why aren't you so concerned about the billions illegals cost us now? Do you have any idea what it costs to educate millions of people from kindergarten to college? Where do you think those billions are coming from? That money and more is already being spent supporting illegals and their babies here. Building barriers (the wall) along our border with Mexico is a one time cost as opposed to the continuous and growing cost to support illegals. That "money sucking wall" is a bargain compared to what we pay now to maintain these people that have no right to be here. It will be the best money this country has spent in a very long time.
And BTW, they just don't come here for work. Some come here for the free ride they get when they have anchor babies and then are fully supported by the government. Others come here so they can sign up and go to our schools for free or reduced cost for higher education. It's not as "simple minded" as thinking they are here just to work hard.
Excellent post. I would only add that criminals and terrorist are getting through our border also and they aren't looking for work. Thus another good reason for the wall.
People like yourself "Sweetie" amaze me. Your depth of naivety while looking the other way should be a crime in of itself. To be so ill-informed or worse, outright make false statements to promote whatever political cause you adhere to is shameful when illegals affect every aspect of a person's life. Everything from schools, taxes, property values, crime and jobs for Americans are negatively affected. But people like yourself would rather name call and be condescending to those who are legitimately concerned about this issue. One has to wonder what personal gain you are receiving from having illegals here because you really can't have your head so deep in the ground that you can't see reality.
I've heard 30 million as an estimate. I'm surprised that a lot of them don't apply for citizenship in Canada, but I suspect the climate has something to do with that.
It is closer to 30 million. Of course, no one knows. That 11 million number is a bare minimum that the Feds put together to keep the number as low as possible and still look somewhat realistic.
Back in the 1980s when the first amnesty was granted, the Feds said the number was 1 million and guess what?4 million magically showed up to apply for amnesty.
We'll spend that just trying to maintain a wall, while people who really want to get in will do so anyway, by going over it, under it, around it. Or, they will come on visas and overstay them when they expire, which is how an estimated 40% of illegals arrive here. They come by plane, legally. What will a wall do to stop them? Not a damn thing.
Meanwhile, all of our money will be squandered on maintaining a wall that won't even do what we built it for, while our roads and bridges crumble away because we've wasted all our money maintaining that useless wall.
Stupid, stupid, stupid, anyway you look at it.
IMO what's really stupid is paying billions to give a free ride to people that shouldn't be here to begin with. I don't know where you got the 40 percent, but let's say that's true. That means that 60 percent are coming over the border. 60 percent!!!! And you'd rather not do anything about it, except keep paying for them to be here. A "wall" will do a damned thing for 60 percent of them.
And by the way, do you see anyone right now running to fix the roads and bridges? Why not? There's no money being spent on a wall right now. According to your logic, our infrastructure should be in the works right now since there is no wall. Where's that money going? Where's your outrage? You certainly can't blame a wall that doesn't exist for that not being fixed.
Mexicos border with the USA used to be a lot further north until the USA expropriated much of their country.
Maybe those immigrants are just feeling a cultural homesickness=
IMO what's really stupid is paying billions to give a free ride to people that shouldn't be here to begin with. I don't know where you got the 40 percent, but let's say that's true. That means that 60 percent are coming over the border. 60 percent!!!! And you'd rather not do anything about it, except keep paying for them to be here. A "wall" will do a damned thing for 60 percent of them.
And by the way, do you see anyone right now running to fix the roads and bridges? Why not? There's no money being spent on a wall right now. According to your logic, our infrastructure should be in the works right now since there is no wall. Where's that money going? Where's your outrage? You certainly can't blame a wall that doesn't exist for that not being fixed.
The money is being spent on social programs for illegals.
Senator McCain was in charge of Arizona and did not do anything about the illegals. He knew and was told often that his state could not compete in the aggra business growing veggies and fruit in SAND that required very expensive nutrients and irrigation methods UNLESS he turned a blind eye to those thousands of workers willing to slave in the fields from dawn til dusk for slave wages in order to cut costs.
Many posts have been written that talk about the groups of illegals ROUTINELY congregating in Home Depot and Lowes parking lots looking for work but seemingly immune from some border patrol or LEO's rounding them up.
Wintering in the American southwest back in the early 2000's and using a semi-tractor to tow my RV revealed I could not get my truck serviced without illegals having a hand in that along every single interstate highway in the states of Tx. Az. Ca. Nm. and La. It could be assumed that those have migrated even further north by now. It was comical in the extreme to watch the white suburbans with the green stripe on the side pull in for a coffee break and watch the lube bays empty of personnel all running out the back door.
I got run into by an illegal operating a (now defunct) Yuma Freight Lines semi rig who drove up on the sidewalk to pass me on the right who was corralled by Yuma police only to discover this guy had a state issued driver's license in a false name but was an illegal citizen. My insurance company had to sue them for reimbursement, a very costly but necessary exercise.
When talking to the motorcycle cop in charge of the on-scene investigation, I queried as to the frequency of this and he stated it represented at least 50% of their man hours.
A group of us once watched from a restaurant on the Mexican side overlooking the river at the border crossing of Algodonez Mx. as a family of illegals waded around the border control offices under the windows of the guys who were busily busting American citizens chops for having their prescriptions filled and dentistry done in Mx.
The laws that are on the books are not being aggressively maintained and until they are, you can build TWO walls with a minefield between them and nothing will change.
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