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I really don't get the point of these threads...is it that illegals are the only people that commit crimes or that only Americans can hurt other Americans?
The point of comments like these is that we have to tolerate some level of crime by illegals. It is the price we have to pay for.......what? With Americans, they are here. We just have to live with them. With illegals, we don't have to live with them.
Are you claiming that experts wouldn't know how? It's only 700 miles we are talking about not the entire border.
To make the wall work you'll have to build the wall the entire length of your southern border or the hordes of illegals with their backpacks full of drugs will just go around it.Then you'll have to close off any entry points to prevent the illegals driving over the border,then have massive surveillance on the water to prevent entry by water,then a no fly zone to prevent entry by plane, then institute a policy of shoot on site anyone suspected of being an illegal. then close down any company caught hiring illegals Etc. IMO this seems like a lot of work effort and expense just to save a few billion dollars in social programs that illegals might avail themselves of.
The point of comments like these is that we have to tolerate some level of crime by illegals. It is the price we have to pay for.......what? With Americans, they are here. We just have to live with them. With illegals, we don't have to live with them.
Exactly! I laugh every time that someone defends illegal immigration by pointing out crimes that Americans commit. Americans have a right to be here regardless. Illegal aliens do not. When an American is caught committing a crime they face justice. When illegals are caught they get a slap on the wrist and sent on their merry way back into our society with no justice involved whatsoever.
I think I already posted this but trying to get a point across seems rather hopeless when dealing with the anti-Trumps, many who can't support their own losing candidates because they would be so embarrassed in doing so.
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To make the wall work you'll have to build the wall the entire length of your southern border or the hordes of illegals with their backpacks full of drugs will just go around it.
Nope. There are areas of the border that have extremely harsh elements, most illegals who try to cross in those areas die before ever reaching the border.
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Then you'll have to close off any entry points to prevent the illegals driving over the border,
That is already being done, surprised you don't know that.
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then have massive surveillance on the water to prevent entry by water,
That's one of the reasons we have the Coast Guard.
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then a no fly zone to prevent entry by plane,
We already watch our skies, though, if a plane flies below radar then they are harder to track.
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then institute a policy of shoot on site anyone suspected of being an illegal.
You're against a wall but you're all for shooting on sight? That's extreme and unnecessary unless a person, illegal or not, is seriously endangering the life of another person.
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then close down any company caught hiring illegals
Again, extreme. Stiff fines, and, maybe jail time if the person who hires illegals is a repeat offender.
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Etc. IMO this seems like a lot of work effort and expense just to save a few billion dollars in social programs that illegals might avail themselves of.
$113 billion every single year is "a few billion"? Hardly. You think that much is just chump change or something?
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I think I already posted this but trying to get a point across seems rather hopeless when dealing with the anti-Trumps, many who can't support their own losing candidates because they would be so embarrassed in doing so.
Savings per year once the illegals are off our backs? Over $113 billion dollars.
Savings not granting amnesty: Over $6.3 trillion dollars.
Both of those will save thousands of citizens from criminals and diseases/viruses. Shut them down!
Interesting article, though I don't agree with a few points he mentioned.
The major point that I disagree with is providing government paid lawyers (I have to wonder if he's for that since he would be assured of a paycheck). When an illegal is busted for being here illegally they have to sign a paper stating they will either take deportation without a hearing, or, they want to stay and have a hearing and that they will provide their own lawyer. In essence if they chose to go to a hearing without a lawyer then, since it's a civil case, they would be acting Pro Se.
Just as with any civil case (against citizens) where the defendant elects to defend them self Pro Se, if the defendant screws up and fails to follow the RCP, says the wrong thing, etc., etc., then they typically lose and a judgment is entered against them. It should be no different with an illegal that chooses to handle their case on their own vs hiring a lawyer. If they screw up their own defense , they lose and are deported.
If they are given a government paid lawyer then the ones who would have taken deportation instead of a court hearing would opt for the court hearing instead, which increases the number of court cases. (add the fact that it's unfair to citizens to have to pay for their own lawyers in civil cases, yet illegals would again be treated with kid gloves and be given a paid for lawyer)
Plus, if the freebies are taken away, e-verify laws are strongly followed, etc., then most illegals will take the deportation option - no job, no food, no shelter, no medical, no schools, no other freebies, etc., they will know that they won't survive here long enough to see the inside of a courtroom and will chose to go back.
How will a wall (not a fence) handle drainage patterns and streams?
Once again, if we could send people to the moon and back in 1969, do you seriously think engineers and architects in 2016 don't know how to work with drainage patterns and streams while designing walls and barriers?
The problem here is that some people envision a giant massive wall from the coast of CA to Texas Louisiana border. This is nonsense. The wall will be different things in different places considering topography, geography, climate, water, among other things. A wall in a desert is not going to look and work like a wall in a swamp. You really need to be open minded and accept the fact that we have the technology to do what we want to with this "wall" taking into account lots of factors.
Don't limit your definition of a wall to something that looks like the Great Wall of China. That's not what we're talking about here.
Oh really sweetie ... so a green card holder can't get Section 8 housing and put up 10 of his illegal relatives ?
So do tell me, where are the illegals all living ? Apartment buildings where rental references/credit checks are not required ? Tents in the desert ? Lean-tos in the forest ?
And I suppose you think they are not getting free healthcare and free education as well ? And food stamps can't be obtained for those illegals with anchor babies ?
Wrong. Those with anchor babies and there are many, are fully entitled to receive low cost housing, food stamps and anything else the state and federal government can provide to them.
That's not all....
If an illegal immigrant has a child born in the US and uses that child's US citizenship to gain legal status for himself/herself, that immigrant is no longer an "illegal"!!!
No, there is no 700 mile fence. You're referring to the Secure Fence Act that was intended to fund and construct that wall. Only about 30 miles of it were built because Democrats in congress defunded it.
Here's an easy way to pay for the wall without raising taxes on US workers:
Illegals regularly use services like Western Union to send money back home. From now on we should ask for a valid green card each time they do this. If they don't have one... Charge illegals a huge fee for each electronic remittance they send south of the border.
Since the Republicans have been in control of Congress since 2011, why haven't they restored the funds?
Of course, they sneak in someplace else If anything, it shows just how effective walls are. If it's so tough for the crossers, then why do we have illegals who have been deported several times, who somehow manage to get in again and again without getting caught?
Trump personally employs "hundreds of them"? He personally hired them himself? Prove it.
You are assuming the only way they get in is by walking across. A mistake of the first order.
Attack the reason they come EMPLOYMENT! It's Americans hiring these cretins! You think for one second they'll not find ways to get them into the country if their business plan relies upon them?
Actively enforce your already existing laws and you won't need the stupid wall. Build the wall and leave all other attractions in place for them and they'll find other ways to come into the country but you'll have a nice wall.......like Berlin did.
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