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This has be debunked so many times that even Hillary supporters know it isn't true.
WHAT has been "debunked"?
That Powell used private e-mail?
He ADMITTED he did.
"Like Hillary Clinton, former Secretary of State Colin Powell also used a personal email account during his tenure at the State Department, an aide confirmed in a statement.
“He was not aware of any restrictions nor does he recall being made aware of any over the four years he served at State,” the statement says. “He sent emails to his staff generally via their State Department email addresses. These emails should be on the State Department computers. He might have occasionally used personal email addresses, as he did when emailing to family and friends..."
No, we won't. No matter how it plays out, indictment, no indictment, it won't be Republicans making the deicision, it will be the Feds. The Feds aren't investigating her on Republican request, they won't indict her on Republican request. It's an investigation completely independant of anything Republicans might want or say, but Hillary doesn't want the masses to know that. She wants to portray it as just another Republican witch hunt.
The decision to prosecute or not lies solely with Loretta Lynch, who is a Democrat. If Lynch indicts Hillary, her career will pretty much be over. If she refuses to indict, Hillary, and the Democrats will make sure she is rewarded (maybe a supreme court seat).
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Originally Posted by LordBalfor
WHAT has been "debunked"?
That Powell used private e-mail?
He ADMITTED he did.
"Like Hillary Clinton, former Secretary of State Colin Powell also used a personal email account during his tenure at the State Department, an aide confirmed in a statement.
“He was not aware of any restrictions nor does he recall being made aware of any over the four years he served at State,” the statement says. “He sent emails to his staff generally via their State Department email addresses. These emails should be on the State Department computers. He might have occasionally used personal email addresses, as he did when emailing to family and friends..."
Powell, and Rice used a government email for official business. Powell would occasionally use a personal email, but not for classified information. There were a few emails that later became classified, but they were not at the time they were sent.
Hillary created her own secret private server, and used it exclusively. There are over 2000 classified emails, including emails that were top secret, and some with special access programs information. This information is born classified, and could never be kept in an unsecured location such as her server.
She also never complied with record keeping, or FOIA laws, and made the emails available to the government. She even refused to turn over the emails when being subpoenaed.
GOP Secretary of State Colin Powell used private e-mail too - so did GOP Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice (AND members of their respective staffs).
Neither is acceptable but there is significant difference between using a private email account and a private email server.
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Those folks even received CLASSIFIED information just like Hillary did (and - as with Hillary - none of it was marked "classified" at the time).
According to CNN there was 2 emails from Powell and 10 from Rice compared to the thousands from Clinton. The ones from Powell and Rice were never marked classified, the ones from Clinton were taken out of secure system and had there classification stripped... huge difference.
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In addition, there is NO real cross-agency standards as to WHAT is marked "classified" - making it very hard to tell for sure what is classified and what it not.
Yes there is, firstly anything on a secure government network cannot leave the secure government network. Only the agency that has marked something classified can remove that designation.
The decision to prosecute or not lies solely with Loretta Lynch, who is a Democrat. If Lynch indicts Hillary, her career will pretty much be over. If she refuses to indict, Hillary, and the Democrats will make sure she is rewarded (maybe a supreme court seat).
Powell, and Rice used a government email for official business. Powell would occasionally use a personal email, but not for classified information. There were a few emails that later became classified, but they were not at the time they were sent.
Hillary created her own secret private server, and used it exclusively. There are over 2000 classified emails, including emails that were top secret, and some with special access programs information. This information is born classified, and could never be kept in an unsecured location such as her server...
No one - not even the GOP Congressional witch hunters - have identified a SINGLE email marked "classified" or "top secret" - not one. Whether they should have been or not doesn't change that fact.
As far as the SIGINT information goes, there IS concern about that but the issue is not so much that Clinton had it on her server but rather HOW the sender(s) of those emails got the information in the first place. No one - not even a Secretary of State - knows everything that is or should be "classified". SHE got the info from a non-government, unclassified source (specifically mostly Blumenthal). Since he ALREADY HAD IT, it's hard to prove she knew it was classified - or even that she knew it SHOULD have been classified - after all it CAME from an unclassified source. Maybe Blumenthal got the info from a classified document, maybe he gleaned it from an independent source. Folks can and do come to the same conclusions independently all the time. The FBI is (and should be) very interested in that but that doesn't mean that the FOCUS of their interest is Clinton herself.
Once again, I say, there will be NO indictment (for very good reasons). GOPers will howl and scream of course - but so what? They howl and scream about EVERYTHING anyway.
Ken
Last edited by LordBalfor; 04-09-2016 at 11:58 PM..
No one - not even the GOP Congressional witch hunters - have identified a SINGLE email marked "classified" or "top secret" - not one. Whether they should have been or not doesn't change that fact.
Truth to power.
Good news is, everyone who has paid attention and cares has already made up their mind and it's a dead issue when it comes to the general election.
Neither is acceptable but there is significant difference between using a private email account and a private email server.
According to CNN there was 2 emails from Powell and 10 from Rice compared to the thousands from Clinton. The ones from Powell and Rice were never marked classified, the ones from Clinton were taken out of secure system and had there classification stripped... huge difference.
Was HILLARY the one to take the data out of the secure system? NOPE - she RECEIVED that data, she didn't SEND IT. How was she to know WHERE the sender got the information from? Is she supposed to be psychic? As far as the numbers of such emails go - that's not really relevant (is someone less guilty because they only robbed 2 banks or 10 banks than someone who robbed 2000 banks?) - so WHERE is the GOP condemnation of Rice and Powell (strangely missing!!!!!)?
Yes there is, firstly anything on a secure government network cannot leave the secure government network. Only the agency that has marked something classified can remove that designation.
That applies to specific DOCUMENTS. The INFORMATION itself can come from OTHER SOURCES that are NOT classified. This is one example of where the "grey area" comes into play. There is NO WAY for someone to know for sure whether or not another agency has deemed something to be classified. Therefor specific information may be deemed classified by one agency while another agency - which got the info from an unclassified source (who either arrived at that information illegally or entirely independently) is completely unaware that the first agency has deemed it classified. How is someone supposed to know that another agency deems that information classified?
"State Department spokespeople have said they disagree with the intelligence community's claims about the allegedly "Top Secret" emails and have suggested that State officials may have gleaned that information without consulting reports based on sensitive U.S. intelligence methods..."
This is the why I've said that process of deeming something as "classified" is full of holes. There is NO WAY for one agency to know everything that has been deemed classified by another agency. The PROCESS has problems and there is no real way to resolved these problems.
The fact is NO INVESTIGATION has shown that Hillary had any information on that server that she KNEW was classified. NONE was marked classified and much of it was deemed to be classified only later.
Ken
Last edited by LordBalfor; 04-09-2016 at 11:52 PM..
No one - not even the GOP Congressional witch hunters - have identified a SINGLE email marked "classified" or "top secret" - not one. Whether they should have been or not doesn't change that fact.
Emails from Hillary Clinton's home server contained information classified at levels higher than previously known, including a level meant to protect some of the most sensitive U.S. intelligence, according to a document obtained by NBC News.
In a letter to lawmakers, the intelligence community's internal watchdog says some of Clinton's emails contained information classified Top Secret/Special Access Program, a secrecy designation that includes some of the most closely held U.S. intelligence matters.
This is need to know material and it may only be Hillary that had a high enough clearance to view it. The only way that type of intel makes it onto Clinton's server is if it was removed from the secured network and had the designation stripped. How that material made it onto her server is going to be one of the things the FBI will be investigating, did Hillary give access to one her staff without proper clearance? Say hello to the orange jumpsuit.
This is need to know material and it may only be Hillary that had a high enough clearance to view it. The only way that type of intel makes it onto Clinton's server is if it was removed from the secured network and had the designation stripped. How that material made it onto her server is going to be one of the things the FBI will be investigating, did Hillary give access to one her staff without proper clearance? Say hello to the orange jumpsuit.
Again, not a SINGLE ONE of those emails were marked "classified" or "top secret" - and there is NO evidence that Hillary ever knew they were designated as such - NONE.
Good luck with the "orange jumpsuit" nonsense. When nothing happens to her you folks will just stomp your feet and claim that the Obama administration just isn't doing their job about her - and yet somehow even the GOP witchhunt in the House has been unable to prove anything criminal - even after more than half a dozen investigation committees. There's a REASON for that - there's nothing to find, so GOOD LUCK ever seeing her in an "orange jumpsuit" - the only way that's going to happen is if you folks photoshop it. You WILL however, likely see her sitting at the President's desk - WITHOUT photoshop.
Over and over and over again, FOX News and GOP blovators create irrational and unrealistic expectations in the minds of gullible rightwingers. They told you they would overturn Obamacare - how'd that turn out? They told you they would make Obama a "one term President" - how'd that turn out? They told you they would defund Obamacare by shutting down the government - how'd that turn out? They told you they would block the Iran deal - how'd that turn out? Etc, etc, etc. Over and over and over again you folks are shown to be gullible chumps and yet you are STILL buying their nonsense - this time about Hillary being indicted. You just never seem to learn. Apparently you can lead a rightwing type to knowledge, but you can't make him think.
Ken
Last edited by LordBalfor; 04-10-2016 at 06:42 AM..
Hillary is right. She will not be indicted, regardless of how many charges are recommended against her by the FBI. The Obama regime is just too corrupt and will not indict the Democrat's presumptive nominee regardless of what crimes she has committed.
Also, the most serious scandal and legal threat that Hillary faces is not the emails or or the server. It is the pay for play while she was Secretary of State in exchanged for payments made by many of the most vile regimes on the planet to the Clinton Foundation.
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