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View Poll Results: Should the US take $1.5 trillion in Iraqi oil?
Yes 67 47.52%
No 74 52.48%
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Old 05-04-2016, 10:14 PM
 
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Because we freed Iraq from the tyranny of Saddam with good intentions. They lay down arms after we leave and allow major parts of their country to be invaded without much of a fight. If they wish to remain an independent country, they need to pay the bill. Iraq is losing oil revenue anyway, to ISIS and Iran. Any land occupied by terrorists, especially oil rich lands, is helping to fuel global terrorism. Global terrorism is costing the US and Europe a lot of money for security, and it erodes our safety and security at home.

Oil production in zones controlled by ISIS, in Iraq & Syria, must be reclaimed by Iraq's government, or in the case of Syria, be destroyed if the terrorists cannot be removed. It would be better to return all of Iraq's oil production back to the Iraq government, and bill them for the continuing military protection it will require to protect it. They use our petrodollar system, they have a lot of oil, they are entitled to military protection as a high ranking member of the empire. We should be doing business there, we should not abandon them because they CAN afford our services, and we DO profit from the petrodollar system. And we CAN'T afford to do it for free.
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Old 05-04-2016, 11:01 PM
 
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Nothing was done over there but KILL HUNDREDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE finishing a job Mr. Bushs father couldnt do so they made up that Iraq did 9/11 to get ppl to agree to them going in there and because people ARE SO COMPROMISED,they blindly believed it!
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Old 05-05-2016, 08:23 PM
 
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Because we freed Iraq from the tyranny of Saddam with good intentions. They lay down arms after we leave and allow major parts of their country to be invaded without much of a fight. If they wish to remain an independent country, they need to pay the bill. Iraq is losing oil revenue anyway, to ISIS and Iran. Any land occupied by terrorists, especially oil rich lands, is helping to fuel global terrorism. Global terrorism is costing the US and Europe a lot of money for security, and it erodes our safety and security at home.

Oil production in zones controlled by ISIS, in Iraq & Syria, must be reclaimed by Iraq's government, or in the case of Syria, be destroyed if the terrorists cannot be removed. It would be better to return all of Iraq's oil production back to the Iraq government, and bill them for the continuing military protection it will require to protect it. They use our petrodollar system, they have a lot of oil, they are entitled to military protection as a high ranking member of the empire. We should be doing business there, we should not abandon them because they CAN afford our services, and we DO profit from the petrodollar system. And we CAN'T afford to do it for free.
First off, the Iraqi government has not lost a single Shia-majority town to ISIS. When its forces retreated from Sunni territories, a big reason for that was that these towns were barely allied with the Iraqi government to begin with. Asking a predominantly Shia military force to sacrifice their lives for communities who don't care about them is difficult to say the least.

Flash forward to today and the ISF (Iraqi Security Forces) have retaken a lot of those Sunni towns, and they've lost many thousands of men to ISIS while doing so. Do not disparage their sacrifices which helped secure their own country and ours.

Second, Iran has not taken any oil from Iraq. Not a single drop. If you disagree, show me a source. I've followed Iraq war news for quite some time and I have never heard this story once.

Third, Trump wasn't suggesting the US should send Iraq a bill. He was saying that the US should take over Iraq's oil. This is a criminal act and would make the US military a criminal entity if it was done.
You seem to be performing some kind of spin/damage control on what Trump said in order to make it seem more reasonable. But what Trump said was just plain crazy.
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Old 05-05-2016, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Iowa
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Well, here's an old story from 2012, about Iran stealing oil from Iraq,
https://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2...18/208656.html

This link from Dec 2015 describes more recent activity,

NCRI - National Council of Resistance of Iran - Iranian regime looting Iraqi oil refinery - expert

"the Baiji oil refinery, the biggest in Iraq, is currently being dismantled and transferred to Iran"

Here's a quote from this wiki link about ISIS oil,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_pr...ggling_in_ISIL

"In Iraq ISIL conquered the Ajil and Allas oil fields in northern Iraq during the Mosul campaign in 2014. These areas were later recaptured by the Iraq army.[2] Also, in north of Iraq, Qayyarah oil filed, controls by ISIS and produces 8,000 barrels a day of heavy crude oil.[6] Ajil in north of Tikrit and Himiran are important ISIS-controlled oil field in Iraq"

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Also want to add, the world wide demand for oil has not gone down, production has gone up, which explains the temporary price decline. It won't last, Iraq's oil is valuable going into the future. Even as alternative energy increases, oil will remain a valuable resource for decades to come. It's better to take Iraq under our wing and have them as an ally going forward, and prevent Iran, Isis, China or whomever from moving in there and gaining control.

We need to honor the father of our economy, and bask in his glory, petrodollars for all !




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Old 05-05-2016, 10:24 PM
 
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Well, here's an old story from 2012, about Iran stealing oil from Iraq,
https://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2...18/208656.html

This link from Dec 2015 describes more recent activity,

NCRI - National Council of Resistance of Iran - Iranian regime looting Iraqi oil refinery - expert

"the Baiji oil refinery, the biggest in Iraq, is currently being dismantled and transferred to Iran"

Here's a quote from this wiki link about ISIS oil,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_pr...ggling_in_ISIL

"In Iraq ISIL conquered the Ajil and Allas oil fields in northern Iraq during the Mosul campaign in 2014. These areas were later recaptured by the Iraq army.[2] Also, in north of Iraq, Qayyarah oil filed, controls by ISIS and produces 8,000 barrels a day of heavy crude oil.[6] Ajil in north of Tikrit and Himiran are important ISIS-controlled oil field in Iraq"

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Also want to add, the world wide demand for oil has not gone down, production has gone up, which explains the temporary price decline. It won't last, Iraq's oil is valuable going into the future. Even as alternative energy increases, oil will remain a valuable resource for decades to come. It's better to take Iraq under our wing and have them as an ally going forward, and prevent Iran, Isis, China or whomever from moving in there and gaining control.

We need to honor the father of our economy, and bask in his glory,


Your Al Arabiya article appears to be very suspicious.
Revealed: the dodgy report on Iran-Iraq oil theft | ArabianOilandGas.com

According to this article, the International Center for Development Studies, which the Al Arabiya article cites as its primary source, appears to be a totally unknown "think tank" that refuses to release its "study" to the public.
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"Iran is not even close to producing at capacity from its own extensions (Yadavaran and Azadegan) so the idea they're siphoning 250,000 bpd across the border is crazy," says Robin Mills, head of consulting at Manaar Energy Consulting. "There is no unitisation agreement," he says, referring to the means by which two parties agree to share oilfields which cross borders. "You could equally say that some of its Gulf neighbours are siphoning Iranian oil and gas."
Unable to locate a copy of the full report on ICDS’s website, Oil & Gas Middle East contacted ICDS to obtain a copy. Dr. Sadek Al-Rikaby, touted as the CEO of ICDS and an “economic and political analyst specializing in Middle East issues,” responded via a Hotmail account that this required paying a membership fee of $400 – as discount from the standard corporate rate of $700 – plus “$1,000-$1,500” to obtain the report.
The membership section of the ICDS website asks for an up-front membership fee of £200 to an account in the name of Easy Digital Solutions Ltd, together with “a full CV/Resume to include personal details, education and employment/career history.”
The situation is unusual, and strongly suggests ICDS is a different kind of business to that which it’s name and promotional spiel suggests. Think-tanks are usually supported by donors to provide information free of charge to influence opinion and inform policy. Think-tanks or research bodies typically do not ask for large up-front charges for the media to cover their output.
Your NCRI article is literally an article from a rebel group opposed to the Iranian government. According to Wikipedia, NCRI is made up of various Iranian rebel groups, one being the famous MEK group, a group that has launched dozens of terrorist attacks on Iran over the years and has itself killed Americans. The US State Department, until recently, listed MEK as a terrorist group.

The NCRI's credibility is suspect, to say the least. Find me a more credible source.

Also not sure why you quoted an article about ISIL taking Iraqi oil. How is this relevant to my desire to see evidence of Iranian take over of Iraqi oil?
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Old 05-05-2016, 10:27 PM
 
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Is there any statement you can find from the Iraqi government, from the BBC, Wall Street Journal, New York Times or Washington Post that can corroborate your theory that Iran has been stealing Iraqi oil? And are you aware that Iran and Iraq are close allies, with Iran having been the supporter of nearly all major political parties currently in power in Iraq today since the 1980s?

The likelihood that Iran has been stealing Iraqi oil just seems remarkably low considering they are such close allies Iran could probably just ask for some Iraqi oil and get it.
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Old 05-05-2016, 10:33 PM
 
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This is the only credible article I've found that supports your theory, but it doesn't appear to be very significant

Iraqi official: Iranians seize oil well - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Iran | NBC News

Some Iranian troops took an Iraqi oil field then left a few days later.
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Old 05-05-2016, 10:39 PM
 
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At this point I really get the impression that you just randomly Googled "Iran steals Iraqi oil", did no research at all on the sources, have minimal understanding of the Iraqi political situation, and just copy/pasted the links into this forum.
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Old 05-06-2016, 12:39 PM
 
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Why are we arguing?
I support Donald's suggestion that Iraq will give the US their oil. Let's make it simple: just mail us a $1 trillion check. (I like the common sense Donald brings to these elections).
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Old 05-06-2016, 12:47 PM
 
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https://youtu.be/TsMgF9LSWN4?t=3m53s

Here is Donald Trump, 5 years ago on CNN Money, saying the USA should have stolen Iraq's entire $15 trillion worth of oil.
Unlike other people he's able to change his mind.
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