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Old 09-06-2016, 12:39 PM
 
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And yet the GOP and FOX News etc paint that scenario as "crooked" if it involves Hillary but somehow OK if it involves Trump.
If it's "crooked" for Hillary, it's "crooked" for Trump.

Ken
Hillary is a politician elected and paid by the American taxpayer. Forgive Americans if they hold her to a little higher standard than Joe Blow businessman.
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Old 09-06-2016, 12:40 PM
 
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It was probably a mistake. Let it go.
as i said before in this thread i doubt this will affect the polls but i definitely see this coming back into the spotlight once the "trump u" lawsuit resumes.
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Old 09-06-2016, 12:57 PM
 
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Hillary is a politician elected and paid by the American taxpayer. Forgive Americans if they hold her to a little higher standard than Joe Blow businessman.
Is your Joe Blow businessman violating the law, or at the very least trying to exert "undue influence"? You betcha. And the bribe here involved someone who was investigating trump U for Florida, and who immediately ended the investigation. Again, if it smells like bribery, it must be bribery, even if it is just good ole trump peddling influence.
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Old 09-06-2016, 12:59 PM
 
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I don't see how this could happen. Doesn't Trump employ the best of the best? Trump's people don't make mistakes, they are way too sharp to make mistakes, aren't they?
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Old 09-06-2016, 01:01 PM
 
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Is your Joe Blow businessman violating the law, or at the very least trying to exert "undue influence"? You betcha.
Prove it.
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Old 09-06-2016, 01:02 PM
 
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I don't see how this could happen. Doesn't Trump employ the best of the best? Trump's people don't make mistakes, they are way too sharp to make mistakes, aren't they?
There is a significant amount of evidence that points to the contrary.
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Old 09-06-2016, 01:03 PM
 
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Is your Joe Blow businessman violating the law, or at the very least trying to exert "undue influence"? You betcha. And the bribe here involved someone who was investigating trump U for Florida, and who immediately ended the investigation. Again, if it smells like bribery, it must be bribery, even if it is just good ole trump peddling influence.
It smells like extortion.
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Old 09-06-2016, 01:07 PM
 
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Prove it.
Ok, so I had the wrong person being the peddlar... but your joe blow businessman was seeking undue influence all the same.
Bribery

The offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of something of value for the purpose of influencing the action of an official in the discharge of his or her public or legal duties.The expectation of a particular voluntary action in return is what makes the difference between a bribe and a private demonstration of goodwill. To offer or provide payment in order to persuade someone with a responsibility to betray that responsibility is known as seeking Undue Influence over that person's actions. When someone with power seeks payment in exchange for certain actions, that person is said to be peddling influence. Regardless of who initiates the deal, either party to an act of bribery can be found guilty of the crime independently of the other.


Bribery legal definition of bribery
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Old 09-06-2016, 01:10 PM
 
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It smells like extortion.
In the OP's example, the public official did not ask joe blow for money... joe blow offered it, and then, at a future date, requested the action by the official. It is bribery, not extortion.
Full Definition of extortion

  1. 1 : the act or practice of extorting especially money or other property; especially : the offense committed by an official engaging in such practice
  2. 2 : something extorted; especially : a gross overcharge



Extortion | Definition of Extortion by Merriam-Webster
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Old 09-06-2016, 01:11 PM
 
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Ok, so I had the wrong person being the peddlar... but your joe blow businessman was seeking undue influence all the same.
Bribery

The offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of something of value for the purpose of influencing the action of an official in the discharge of his or her public or legal duties.The expectation of a particular voluntary action in return is what makes the difference between a bribe and a private demonstration of goodwill. To offer or provide payment in order to persuade someone with a responsibility to betray that responsibility is known as seeking Undue Influence over that person's actions. When someone with power seeks payment in exchange for certain actions, that person is said to be peddling influence. Regardless of who initiates the deal, either party to an act of bribery can be found guilty of the crime independently of the other.


Bribery legal definition of bribery
What's your evidence? All Joe Blow did was call up his representative and voice his opinions. A professional phone call with no promises made. Do you even have evidence that said phone call was made?
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