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Originally Posted by lilyflower3191981
I really don't now why do you think of Trump as a con-man. (although I respect your opinion)
Simple, his history. As when he sold his name to be put on a condo project in Baja, when that project went bad his response was he only sold the use of his name. Are we supposed to stupidly believe he had no idea people paid $$$ to use his name for no other reason, that it wouldn't be used in marketing as an endorsement of the project? IF that's not conning people it's most certainly abetting the cons.
The Trump University deal appears 'iffy' at best. He promised he'd be personally supervising the selection of real estate experts as faculty yet later said he had nothing to do with that process. That's not a con?
He reminds me of some I've known who when they do some insignificant little good you hear about it for years yet when they make some major blunder their response is 'that was yesterday, we look ahead, not behind.'
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Originally Posted by lilyflower3191981
To me, he is a very outspoken New Yorker. Like Robert Kiyosaki pointed out, Trump has stepped on a lot of big toes and they don't like him. Trump said a lot of politically incorrect things, I admit, but he is a kind, nice, funny guy.
I've never been accused of being PC and hope I never am, but I won't pander either and it's not only him but really, 'these two Corinthians'? And I didn't find it very kind talking about veterans that he liked those who weren't captured which if nothing else certainly implies he doesn't like those who were. Are we supposed to believe POWs wanted to be captured and are lesser men/women than those who weren't? People go into battle under orders, if those orders result in their capture that makes them the bad guys?
The thing I don't know is how much national ink he was given before his TV show? I grew up in the NY area and have been hearing him praise himself for far too long to believe much of what he says. He's very quick to speak of success while things like the airlines, the casinos, the vodka, the steaks, et al are quickly swept under the rug when they go toes up. I just have more respect for those who admit their failures as well as their success. The only people who've never failed at something or never made mistakes have either done nothing or they're liars.
I lived in New York City for years, and yes there are many outspoken New Yorkers.
But, outspoken New Yorkers can't stand him either. They don't think he is a very nice man. They think he is an obnoxious, tasteless, loud mouth braggart, and yuge publicity w*****. Even in NYC, these are not considered admirable attributes.
And he is so beloved by the NY Daily News!
I don't think you can speak for ALL New Yorkers. I did not.
I said, TO ME< he is just an outspoken New Yorker Matter of fact, i know a lot of people (very nice people) talk like him.
Simple, his history. As when he sold his name to be put on a condo project in Baja, when that project went bad his response was he only sold the use of his name. Are we supposed to stupidly believe he had no idea people paid $$$ to use his name for no other reason, that it wouldn't be used in marketing as an endorsement of the project? IF that's not conning people it's most certainly abetting the cons.
The Trump University deal appears 'iffy' at best. He promised he'd be personally supervising the selection of real estate experts as faculty yet later said he had nothing to do with that process. That's not a con?
He reminds me of some I've known who when they do some insignificant little good you hear about it for years yet when they make some major blunder their response is 'that was yesterday, we look ahead, not behind.'
I've never been accused of being PC and hope I never am, but I won't pander either and it's not only him but really, 'these two Corinthians'? And I didn't find it very kind talking about veterans that he liked those who weren't captured which if nothing else certainly implies he doesn't like those who were. Are we supposed to believe POWs wanted to be captured and are lesser men/women than those who weren't? People go into battle under orders, if those orders result in their capture that makes them the bad guys?
The thing I don't know is how much national ink he was given before his TV show? I grew up in the NY area and have been hearing him praise himself for far too long to believe much of what he says. He's very quick to speak of success while things like the airlines, the casinos, the vodka, the steaks, et al are quickly swept under the rug when they go toes up. I just have more respect for those who admit their failures as well as their success. The only people who've never failed at something or never made mistakes have either done nothing or they're liars.
Maybe you and i are different.
I think policies are more important than "tone". I want a Trump Bernie debate, not a Trump hillary debate.
I don't want people to be labeled as racists because I have very specific definition of "racist". Calling a person "racist" can easily ruin a person's reputation in this country. I don't think people should be this mean to others.
I think by far, Trump has the best policies. Like I said, I don't speak for anybody else but myself.
This said, the only thing I disagree with him on is perhaps foreign policies, but he listens to the generals, and he respects the military. So Yes, I have confidence in him.
And if someone's gonna defend Mr. flip-flop by saying he said "may have" there'd better be some syrup served with that waffling.
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Originally Posted by mm4
Clinton was for the war--as always. She was even for the wall.
I've only seen a clip with Clinton saying she was for "physical barriers in some places if necessary". Where/when has she voiced support for walling the entire border?
Besides, this thread is about Trump's flip-flopping. Hillary's no prize and there's no lack of threads about her own screw ups.
I really don't know why do you think of Trump as a con-man. (although I respect your opinion)
To me, he is a very outspoken New Yorker. Like Robert Kiyosaki pointed out, Trump has stepped on a lot of big toes and they don't like him. Trump said a lot of politically incorrect things, I admit, but he is a kind, nice, funny guy.
I have a friend who has actually met him in person. He said he was a very nice man who treated his employees very well.
He reminds me of my grandpa, and a lot of very nice rich men in my neighborhood. They are much better than those politically correct people who think very low of minorities, veterans, poor people.
Trump expects the same from everybody. I have a friend who will easily be labeled as a racist. He said a lot of bad things just about every race. But he is also a very kind, giving guy. He only respects you if you "earn" it. Yes, people might not like his "tone", but what you see is definitely what you get from this guy.
I can only speak for myself anyway.
people think of trump as a con man because "some" of his business deals are suspect. think trump university.
outspoken is one thing, saying racist type things is just racism, not being outspoken. people like gramps, other rich men, your friend who "could be" racist, probably are. does that mean a person who is racist doesn't have nice parts of his personality? no, it just makes the glaring oppositions in their personal attitudes more apparent. with trump and others like you mentioned, minorities have to earn their respect, when in truth minorities are equal to them to start with. they don't have to prove themselves.
people think of trump as a con man because "some" of his business deals are suspect. think trump university.
outspoken is one thing, saying racist type things is just racism, not being outspoken. people like gramps, other rich men, your friend who "could be" racist, probably are. does that mean a person who is racist doesn't have nice parts of his personality? no, it just makes the glaring oppositions in their personal attitudes more apparent. with trump and others like you mentioned, minorities have to earn their respect, when in truth minorities are equal to them to start with. they don't have to prove themselves.
Like I said, my definition of racists is perhaps different from yours. and It is okay.
But all I have seen right now is this, Trump supporters have been labeled as racists, haters, etc, etc. Some even say it is okay to attack them physically. Seriously?
Yes, some Trump supporters perhaps want all minorities out of the country, but many Trump supporters are not like that. Many are just worrying about the direction of this country.
and please don't twist my words. I didn't say minority have to earn their respect, I am saying respect is earned, not demanded. TO me, everybody has to earn my respect, rich, poor, minority, white, whatever. I expect the same from everybody.
That friend of mine I mentioned earlier, he said a lot of ridiculous things about white people as well. He himself is white. He only respect people who have "earned" it. What is wrong with it? He treats everybody exactly the same.
H-1B . . . bad . . . good . . . bad
Muslim ban . . . .hells yeah . . . . except my rich Muslim buddies . . . . . "just a suggestion"
Punishing mother for abortion . . . . yes . . . . no, no, I was talking about the mothers punishing themselves (wut?)
Judge Curiel . . . . biased . . . . Mexican heritage . . . . . "I was misconstrued"
Taking out Qaddafi . . . . no . . . . . only with a "surgical strike"
GOP pledge . . . . no . . . . . yes . . . . no. . . . yes
Campaign war chest . . . . . yes, $1 billion . . . .damn, no one gives me money, I mean, I get free TV exposure, don't need ca$h
Obstruction of Justice, Destruction of Evidence (Emails)
Selling State Secrets to Foreign Countries
Selling AIDS-Infected Blood
Suicide of Vince Foster cover up
Whitewater Scandal
Clinton Foundation Corruption
Clinton Legal Defense Fund
Travel gate Scandal
Trump university? Why isn't anyone bringing up Clinton College?
Clinton's actions in the 90's caused the great recession of the 2000's. Know any one who lost their home to foreclosure, or their home property value dropped.
Many more Hillary scandals dating back to the 70's"""...
** The way I see the difference is
Trump Scandals directly involve him.
Hillary Scandals involve others.
Is this why Hillary lies so much?
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I lived in New York City for years, and yes there are many outspoken New Yorkers.
But, outspoken New Yorkers can't stand him either. They don't think he is a very nice man. They think he is an obnoxious, tasteless, loud mouth braggart, and yuge publicity w*****. Even in NYC, these are not considered admirable attributes.
And he is so beloved by the NY Daily News!
I was at the NEW YORK 12,000+ Trump Long Island Rally (< my link) waited in line standing with 1000's of middle class workers of all ages. The atmosphere was up lifting. Everyone was discussing Trump's views and what they will do to our economy. People I spoke to were directly concerned with more jobs.
One thing I can not understand. Why do voters want to re-elect the same group of candidates that have cause the problems we are facing today?
I voted for Hillary in 2008, then OBama in 2012. Now looking to vote for Trump - now I see the lies and "ALL TALK" of the Democrats. Campaigning about changing the economy, once in office, nothing happens.
Wake Up America if you want a better Economy
Trump 2016
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And I didn't find it very kind talking about veterans that he liked those who weren't captured which if nothing else certainly implies he doesn't like those who were. Are we supposed to believe POWs wanted to be captured and are lesser men/women than those who weren't? People go into battle under orders, if those orders result in their capture that makes them the bad guys?
