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Geez, it's done guys, stick a fork in it. Trump will be confirmed the nominee at the convention. Any half baked ideas to replace Trump would anger his supporters and would certainly lead to a Clinton win.
Most people in the party voted for someone other than Trump. Actually most people in the party did not even vote.
With all the candidates that were running for the nomination(17 total I think in the beginning?) and many that stuck around well into the voting in various states, that would make sense. The votes get spread thin.
Regardless, he got the necessary electorates and that's all that counts in this game. And got the highest % of votes in comparison to the other candidates in the vast majority of states.
Geez, it's done guys, stick a fork in it. Trump will be confirmed the nominee at the convention. Any half baked ideas to replace Trump would anger his supporters and would certainly lead to a Clinton win.
Think of it in terms of "Clinton wins either way". That is the most likely outcome. So what is to be gained or lost by dumping Trump?
Except the founding fathers didn't have big $ donors/money flowing into politics that we have today. We aren't dealing in a textbook anymore with what politics has morphed into. And your solution is to trust the money/self-interest to chose the enlightened great one's that will answer to the will of the people as the will of the people "lack the proper intelligence"? I'm not going to say the IQ of many voters are lower than a small soap dish but to trust money/the payed off set is a better alternative? It's just as bad if not worse in my view.
You joke of course about trusting them, right?
Trump supporters never defend Trump as a candidate for what he actually IS, they are always just defending him on what he isn't.
Trump supporters see all the merit of Trump based on what he isn't, and pretty much disregard everything that he IS. Yeah, Trump isn't establishment... Yeah, Trump isn't taking big money donations ( actually he is )... Yeah, Trump isn't politically correct or filtered, but all of the good things that Trump isn't doesn't make up for all of the negative things that he IS...
( P.S. I'm amazed that Trump supporters don't think Trump is going to play the "big money / self-interests game, when, for most of his career, as even he admits, he DID play that game, buying influence and giving big money to politicians for favors his whole life )
Think of it in terms of "Clinton wins either way". That is the most likely outcome. So what is to be gained or lost by dumping Trump?
With so many people in the party mad at "conservatives", rino's, etc. the party I think would lose a generation of voters if they played that game. Enough to hand the dems victories for the next 56 1/2 years.
As for her winning, I think that's a big tbd, I wouldn't say that at all as a sure thing, far from it. She is deeply flawed/with a political history that will be dug into deep and I don't' think the results will be pretty. Plus that pesky fbi criminal investigation thing. And like/hate trump, he's a genius at picking people apart. I wouldn't want to run against him.
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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88
Trump supporters never defend Trump as a candidate for what he actually IS, they are always just defending him on what he isn't.
Trump supporters see all the merit of Trump based on what he isn't, and pretty much disregard everything that he IS. Yeah, Trump isn't establishment... Yeah, Trump isn't taking big money donations ( actually he is )... Yeah, Trump isn't politically correct or filtered, but all of the good things that Trump isn't doesn't make up for all of the negative things that he IS...
( P.S. I'm amazed that Trump supporters don't think Trump is going to play the "big money / self-interests game, when, for most of his career, as even he admits, he DID play that game, buying influence and giving big money to politicians for favors his whole life )
All a matter of opinion. Given he won most states/got the electorate count, there's enough in the party to disagree with you.
Personally, I trust no politician. But I do know one thing that's beyond obvious to me.....the establishment types of both parties have not been serving the people, serve money first, and lots of people are sick of it. And many have finally learned that doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the true definition of insanity. If trump wins will he be a great president? I have no idea. But again, I do know, based on the record of establishment types/what money buys in politics these days/the types of "leaders" we have been getting, what is DEFINITELY NOT working. Choosing insanity over and over again is your choice of course. I no longer spend time in that ward. Many people are willing to take a chance on something else given the reality of what hasn't been working and to me that's a rational/logical way to approach perhaps fixing our broken political system, even if it's just to stabilize how corrupt it all has become in the eyes of many including myself.
I like Scott Walker and I was sorry when he pulled out of the race. He's a smart man and dropped out before wasting a lot of money when it was obviously not his year. But the fact is he just did not connect emotionally or intellectually with the American public. There's no reason to think anything has changed.
Think of it in terms of "Clinton wins either way". That is the most likely outcome. So what is to be gained or lost by dumping Trump?
By dumping Trump, the GOP would show that it still has some integrity, dignity, and principle. It would show that they put country ahead of party, and it might help some people who've been permanently turned off by the rise of Trump, to give the party another look in the future.
Of course isn't it ironic that we're hoping the same spineless, weak establishment that created Trump in the first place will somehow grow the cojones to dump him. Not likely.
By dumping Trump, the GOP would show that it still has some integrity, dignity, and principle. It would show that they put country ahead of party, and it might help some people who've been permanently turned off by the rise of Trump, to give the party another look in the future.
Of course isn't it ironic that we're hoping the same spineless, weak establishment that created Trump in the first place will somehow grow the cojones to dump him. Not likely.
Don't embarrass those words/mix them when describing ANY politician/party, good grief.
I think you're putting way to much faith in these clowns that deserve absolutely no faith/trust based on their actions. None of them deserve it in my book. Trust is something that is earned and if you feel a party/politician has earned such a badge, I'll leave it at that/I'll be nice and say we disagree, big time.
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