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Like it or not, admit it or not, this is common sense.
So you think it's "common sense" to expand governmental power in a way that allows them to put a U.S. Citizen on a secret list, based on subjective and arbitrary criteria, that will allow the government to suspend a Constitutional right, without trial or hearing, with no requirement the government actually prove the individual is a threat, and no adequate way for an individual to petition the government to get off that list?
You think turning a bedrock principle of our criminal justice system -innocent until proven guilty- on it's head is "common sense"...?
You call it common sense, I call it nothing less than Orwellian.
So you think it's "common sense" to expand governmental power in a way that allows them to put a U.S. Citizen on a secret list, based on subjective and arbitrary criteria, that will allow the government to suspend a Constitutional right, without trial or hearing, with no requirement the government actually prove the individual is a threat, and no adequate way for an individual to petition the government to get off that list?
You think turning a bedrock principle of our criminal justice system -innocent until proven guilty- on it's head is "common sense"...?
You call it common sense, I call it nothing less than Orwellian.
Yes it is common sense. Sorry you disagree.
If you are on terrorist watch list, you should not obtain guns legally. Sorry, you disagree.
Wow, interesting. For all intents and purposes, NRA is fine if you cannot buy firearms while on a terror watchlist. We all know that these lists are often erroneous (Ted Kennedy was on the list, among others) ,and nearly impossible to prove that you are on the list in error. So it would be akin to an indefinite ban. Why are the Republicans fighting it? Seems like NRA, Obama, Trump and Congressional Democrats are all on board.
You missed the main point of their statement... You highlighted the wrong part. I'll highlight in blue the part you should have....
Fairfax, Va.— The executive director of the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action, Chris W. Cox, released the following statement regarding terror watchlists:
We are happy to meet with Donald Trump. The NRA's position on this issue has not changed. The NRA believes that terrorists should not be allowed to purchase or possess firearms, period. Anyone on a terror watchlist who tries to buy a gun should be thoroughly investigated by the FBI and the sale delayed while the investigation is ongoing. If an investigation uncovers evidence of terrorist activity or involvement, the government should be allowed to immediately go to court, block the sale, and arrest the terrorist. At the same time, due process protections should be put in place that allow law-abiding Americans who are wrongly put on a watchlist to be removed. That has been the position of Sen. John Cornyn (R.-Tex.) and a majority of the U.S. Senate. Sadly, President Obama and his allies would prefer to play politics with this issue.
The government should not have the power to put someone on a list indefinitely, without bearing the burden of proving that someone is an actual threat, and no way for the individual to ever be removed from that list.
Well well well, just like liberals were blasted for saying needed to be done. How many Trumpsters will now salivate and say what a great idea this is, as if no one ever thought of it before? How many Trumpsters will forget that liberals were blasted for wanting that very same thing?
Donald's tweet,
I will be meeting with the NRA, who has endorsed me, about not allowing people on the terrorist watch list, or the no fly list, to buy guns.
Just more proof that Trump is RINO and a complete fraud, but us smart ones already knew that. Dishonest Donald supported the assault weapons ban and an increase in wait time for handguns in NY. He's a liberal funding Democrat.
Just more proof that Trump is RINO and a complete fraud, but us smart ones already knew that. Dishonest Donald supported the assault weapons ban and an increase in wait time for handguns in NY. He's a liberal funding Democrat.
So you are saying people like Omar Mateen (was on terrorist watch list) should be able to get guns legally?
So you are saying people like Omar Mateen (was on terrorist watch list) should be able to get guns legally?
Of course I didn't believe that terrorists should have guns. We have something called due process in this country. The right to own a gun is protected under the constitution. Denying someone a constitutional right is very serious and requires a ton of proof, not just suspicions. Unless you would like to start seeing thousands of discrimination lawsuits.
so you think it's "common sense" to expand governmental power in a way that allows them to put a u.s. Citizen on a secret list, based on subjective and arbitrary criteria, that will allow the government to suspend a constitutional right, without trial or hearing, with no requirement the government actually prove the individual is a threat, and no adequate way for an individual to petition the government to get off that list?
If you are on terrorist watch list, you should not obtain guns legally. Sorry, you disagree.
You realize you can be placed on a terror watch list because you visited a particular part of the world at a certain time of year. You can be placed on the list for merely being an associate of someone else on the list. etc. etc. Even if you aren't on the list, you can be mistaken for someone on the list because you have a similar name as someone on the list. Sitting U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy regularly had trouble flying because he had a similar name to someone on the list. You also realize that there's no realistic way for a person to be removed from the list. No adequate due process of law, which is guaranteed by the 5th Amendment to the Constitution.
So you say subverting and circumventing an individuals 5th Amendment rights in order to suppress their 2nd Amendment rights is common sense. How many other Constitutional rights are you willing to eviscerate?
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... Do I dare say progress??
