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He was on the list and then after the FBI "investigated" him he was REMOVED FROM THE LIST.
uh huh, It (removing him from the list) is stupid.
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Originally Posted by dexter75
Of course I didn't believe that terrorists should have guns. We have something called due process in this country. The right to own a gun is protected under the constitution. Denying someone a constitutional right is very serious and requires a ton of proof, not just suspicions. Unless you would like to start seeing thousands of discrimination lawsuits.
well.. So you can take a look at a person and know who is a potential terrorist huh?
You realize you can be placed on a terror watch list because you visited a particular part of the world at a certain time of year. You can be placed on the list for merely being an associate of someone else on the list. etc. etc. Even if you aren't on the list, you can be mistaken for someone on the list because you have a similar name as someone on the list. Sitting U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy regularly had trouble flying because he had a similar name to someone on the list. You also realize that there's no realistic way for a person to be removed from the list. No adequate due process of law, which is guaranteed by the 5th Amendment to the Constitution.
So you say subverting and circumventing an individuals 5th Amendment rights in order to suppress their 2nd Amendment rights is common sense. How many other Constitutional rights are you willing to eviscerate?
...and this is why the GOP needed to elect someone who respects and upholds the constitution...like Ted Cruz. Not a pathetic fraud RINO like Trump who is willing to abolish 5th and 2nd amendment rights at the drop of a hat.
...and this is why the GOP needed to elect someone who respects and upholds the constitution...like Ted Cruz. Not a pathetic fraud RINO like Trump who is willing to abolish 5th and 2nd amendment rights at the drop of a hat.
well, I would argue that if you are not on terrorist watch list, you are safe. You still can be able to obtain guns legally. So what are you worrying about?
You made it sound like all or nothing. It is not all or nothing. There should be a balance somewhere.
well, I would argue that if you are not on terrorist watch list, you are safe. You still can be able to obtain guns legally. So what are you worrying about?
You made it sound like all or nothing. It is not all or nothing. There should be a balance somewhere.
Ok, please tell us who gets put on this watchlist and why? People make anti-government comments in here every day, Ive seen some for you as well. Should you be on an FBI watchlist? Someone who wants to know more about the terrible things ISIS has done and Googles them. Should they be on a watchlist? Ive mentioned ISIS twice now, should I be on a watchlist?
If you are on terrorist watch list, you should not obtain guns legally. Sorry, you disagree.
How do you propose it be done? It's not as if they announce to the person that they're on a watch list, that would sort of defeat the purpose of being watched. So how do they legally stop someone from purchasing a gun when they haven't been charged with anything?
well, I would argue that if you are not on terrorist watch list, you are safe. You still can be able to obtain guns legally. So what are you worrying about?
You made it sound like all or nothing. It is not all or nothing. There should be a balance somewhere.
You ask " If you are not on a watch list, what are you worried about"? Well the fact is I don't know IF I AM on a watch list!!! This list is kept in secret. And I don't know how to stay off this list because there are no set criteria for who should be added to the list or what constitutes "suspicious activity"....It's all up to a nameless, faceless government official to decide. Perhaps if I decide to vacation in a certain part of Russia, I may be added to this list. And if I am ever added to the list, not only will I not be told, but if I ever do find out, I will have no recourse to get myself REMOVED from it and get my Constitutional rights restored!
So yes, I am very worried about what this kind of measure means for American citizens and the civil liberties they are entitled to.
Note to self: don't argue with ANYBODY about guns.
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