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I think there is absolutely no point of arguing with you at this point.
Probably not. I have laid out specific, detailed, and thought out concerns about this proposal, and you've yet to address any of them other than to basically shrug your shoulders and say "I think it's a common sense proposal"...
I'm not asking you to agree with me, I'm just asking that you counter my logic with arguments of your own. Show me where I'm wrong. If you can't or won't do that, then we can agree there's no real point in continuing.
I have always been a republican and always supported stricter gun laws. I have also always been pro choice and marriage equality. Not everything is black and white.
Ugh, I never said it was. I simply pointed out that there re in fact people whos views have changed on this site based on their candidate supporting an idea.
Probably not. I have laid out specific, detailed, and thought out concerns about this proposal, and you've yet to address any of them other than to basically shrug your shoulders and say "I think it's a common sense proposal"...
I'm not asking you to agree with me, I'm just asking that you counter my logic with arguments of your own. Show me where I'm wrong. If you can't or won't do that, then we can agree there's no real point in continuing.
I am not even saying you are wrong. lol This is the frustrating part. You are not wrong, I just have different OPINION.
I am not even saying you are wrong. lol This is the frustrating part. You are not wrong, I just have different OPINION.
Ok, that's fair enough. You are basically saying that yes, this proposal does pose significant issues to civil liberties, but in your opinion, the potential benefits outweigh the drawbacks, and you are willing to make that sacrifice.
You err on the side of security, I err on the side of individual liberty despite it's inherent risks.
If that's your position, I can respect that, although I continue to disagree with it.
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At least make the Feds present their evidence to a judge and get his or her approval before being allowed to place someone on a watch list. That's all I am asking, and I don't think it's unreasonable.
Damn, cant people just say "I disagree with the man but he is right on this" instead of the stupid partisan politics. Plenty of people supporting Trump over Clinton have always thought people on no fly list should be banned from buying guns. I also think if you are under investigation or ever have been under investigation for terrorist activities (of any nature) and not totally cleared (just closed due to insufficient evidence) you should be banned. Both sides of the coin are to blame on this. Many m people on the left believe that would violate privacy laws and infringe on innocent until proven guilty....
"Many people on the left" supposedly concerned about this latest banning has no significance whatsoever. Who are the "many" legislators on the left who hold that belief? [crickets].
These no-fly lists, which have banned the wrong people from flying, are a you-know-what dream for the left, who wouldn't give a fig newton if legal gun owners were kept from buying firearms in error, or delayed. More importantly, today it's an "assault weapon," tomorrow it'll be your 9mm.
Because this latest infringement on our rights will do NOTHING to protect us from those who want to kill us. Wake up, sheeple.
I cannot believe how gun owners cry and scream over this. I think there are 1 million on the watch list / no fly list out of 325 million citizens, a whopping 3/10 of 1% of the population that would be affected by this. The U.S. has the most registered guns per capita in the world, somewhere around 90% registered guns to population. So the lists have errors - it's each individual job to push hard to get themselves off the list if they have rightful reasons to do so.
It's a small step to attempt the beginning of change, yet I find the gun community a bunch of whiny-a$$ed my rights people who just refuse to want to take steps and measures to affect change. Very sad.
I cannot believe how gun owners cry and scream over this. I think there are 1 million on the watch list / no fly list out of 325 million citizens, a whopping 3/10 of 1% of the population that would be affected by this. The U.S. has the most registered guns per capita in the world, somewhere around 90% registered guns to population. So the lists have errors - it's each individual job to push hard to get themselves off the list if they have rightful reasons to do so.
It's a small step to attempt the beginning of change, yet I find the gun community a bunch of whiny-a$$ed my rights people who just refuse to want to take steps and measures to affect change. Very sad.
Because what you appear to be too naive about is that once you start giving up other people's rights, soon some of the rights that YOU would like to hold onto are also in jeopardy.
Interestingly that # that you posted 3/10 of a percent is the same as the transgender population, yet we are bending over backwards to make accommodations for fear of denying them "rights", which actually do not exist. But an ACTUAL right we are fine trampling on in the name of safety??
Seems kind of hypocritical and very backwards.
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