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Old 06-16-2016, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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It isnt unreasonable, but i think the level of evidence needed to put someone on the list will be so high that the court will basically just be a stepping stone to get off the list rather than a way to keep a suspected terrorist on.
But why should it be so high? Present the evidence to the AG, and if they think there's reasonable suspicion to put the person on the list, make them go to a judge, and if the judge agrees, they get added.


Granted, it's still not perfect. It still relies on speculation and conjecture. It still doesn't afford adequate due process, but at least it's something. It's a simple check on the government's power.
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Old 06-16-2016, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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But why should it be so high? Present the evidence to the AG, and if they think there's reasonable suspicion to put the person on the list, make them go to a judge, and if the judge agrees, they get added.


Granted, it's still not perfect. It still relies on speculation and conjecture. It still doesn't afford adequate due process, but at least it's something. It's a simple check on the government's power.
Omar Mateen apparently said he wanted to join Hezbollah during an interview. That was deemed not enough evidence to keep him on the list.

I fear the threshold for the list may be communication with a militant, and by then, it may be too late.
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Old 06-17-2016, 02:05 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Add another to the growing cadre of Liberal Democrat voices that oppose this because of the dangerous precedent it sets...


Hillary Clinton is wrong about the terror watch list.
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Old 06-17-2016, 05:34 AM
 
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The one thing about Donald Trump, like him or not, he will not make decisions based on Republican or Democrat. Like him or not, that is refreshing. We all should follow suit.
Asking permission from a interest group to make his own policy is refreshing?. I believe that's called pandering. Republicans typically have the decency to do it behind close doors this guy is tweeting about it, maybe that's refreshing in a SNL skit kind of way.
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Old 06-17-2016, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Asking permission from a interest group to make his own policy is refreshing?. I believe that's called pandering. Republicans typically have the decency to do it behind close doors this guy is tweeting about it, maybe that's refreshing in a SNL skit kind of way.
Why would anyone would expect the NRA to support any type of gun control.
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Old 06-17-2016, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Seymour, CT
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Wow, something I can actually say I agree with Donald!
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Old 06-17-2016, 07:48 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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So change the Constitution, you don't get to decide to just ignore it, or say that it means something different now because " I think it's outdated"....
Yep. That's what the Amendment process is for. Want to repeal the 2nd Amendment and put whatever controls you want on guns? Pass a Constitutional Amendment.

Although that would also bring up a conflict due to the "shall not be infringed" clause. It's not entirely clear that even an Amendment can infringe upon 2nd Amendment rights. "Shall not be infringed" is very clear and straightforward language.
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Old 06-17-2016, 07:52 AM
 
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Omar Mateen apparently said he wanted to join Hezbollah during an interview. That was deemed not enough evidence to keep him on the list.
That's because the Obama Admin bends over backwards to accommodate Muslims, essentially making it easier for radicalized Muslims to complete their terrorist attacks right here on U.S. soil. Plenty of people have warned about exactly that.
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Old 06-17-2016, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Asking permission from a interest group to make his own policy is refreshing?. I believe that's called pandering. Republicans typically have the decency to do it behind close doors this guy is tweeting about it, maybe that's refreshing in a SNL skit kind of way.
How do you know he's "asking for permission"...?


Maybe, just maybe, he's trying to act as a catalyst to find out what everybody can agree to and bring them together....


When's the last time Chuck Shumer or Dianne Feinstein met with the NRA to try and work something out?
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Old 06-17-2016, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Why would anyone would expect the NRA to support any type of gun control.
The NRA has been very clear that it doesn't want terror suspects to have access to guns, but at the same time, it wants to be sure that citizens wrongly put on the list have the opportunity to get off the list...


It's the Democrats who argue that affording citizens their 5th Amendment right to due process is just too burdensome and "unworkable"
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