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That would be someone who'd been arrested and charged, hardly a reasonable comparison to someone who's merely on a watch list.
Last time I checked it was innocent until PROVEN guilty.. not "charged". You do know people are charged with crimes and found not guilty, right? Goes back to my point, suspected criminals are stripped of some freedoms before being found guilty in order to protect citizens from potential further harm. I see it as the same thing.
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Last time I checked it was innocent until PROVEN guilty.. not "charged". You do know people are charged with crimes and found not guilty, right? Goes back to my point, suspected criminals are stripped of some freedoms before being found guilty in order to protect citizens from potential further harm. I see it as the same thing.
Not 'suspected', people who've been charged which requires a sufficient amount of evidence to warrant charges being brought. And those charged are entitled to face their accuser and hear why charges have been brought, hardly the same as being placed on a list with no knowledge of that happening.
Trump has to ask the NRA for permission before he takes a position. Who's your daddy, Donald? What a loser.
Where in this statement below do you see he will ask for permission? You do know he is not President, right? He probably knows that NRA influences Republican senators in their votes and is trying to get them to change their stance..
BTW: Calling someone a Loser is very immature. Ever here the saying "only losers call other people losers"?
I will be meeting with the NRA, who has endorsed me, about not allowing people on the terrorist watch list, or the no fly list, to buy guns.
The one thing about Donald Trump, like him or not, he will not make decisions based on Republican or Democrat. Like him or not, that is refreshing. We all should follow suit.
Not 'suspected', people who've been charged which requires a sufficient amount of evidence to warrant charges being brought. And those charged are entitled to face their accuser and hear why charges have been brought, hardly the same as being placed on a list with no knowledge of that happening.
Although there is truth to your statement, we live in a dangerous world where terrorist cells are probably bountiful on U.S. soil already. Taking precautions that infringe on a groups rights regardless if they whine more so than they deserve is a wiser choice than sweeping things under the rugs as more innocent people perish.
Knowledge or not, the inept government finds something to warrant a person being placed on a watch list. I too would push to have anyone on that list suspended from buying a gun. We live everyday in our lives with insurance, banking, etc where we might get hung up in our everyday lives trying to clear an issue. This is a far more serious issue than that.
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Where in this statement below do you see he will ask for permission? You do know he is not President, right? He probably knows that NRA influences Republican senators in their votes and is trying to get them to change their stance..
BTW: Calling someone a Loser is very immature. Ever here the saying "only losers call other people losers"?
Not 'suspected', people who've been charged which requires a sufficient amount of evidence to warrant charges being brought. And those charged are entitled to face their accuser and hear why charges have been brought, hardly the same as being placed on a list with no knowledge of that happening.
Many people who are charged with a crime are in fact found not guilty. That's a fact.
Again, hopefully, one day in my life time all of us adults can come together and make some decisions based on compromise and the good of our country. This my side, your side, is getting old so fast.
National Security needs to be on the forefront, whether its border control, gun control, immigration reform.. All of the other issues we bicker about daily will mean nothing if dirty bombs go off simultaneously on both coasts..
A start would be making an effort to prevent potential terrorist (of any religion) gaining access to guns legally. If anything, once passed, next time we are attacked by mass shooting by a terrorist we can all be on the same page and blame the terrorist and not the gun.
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Although there is truth to your statement, we live in a dangerous world where terrorist cells are probably bountiful on U.S. soil already. Taking precautions that infringe on a groups rights regardless if they whine more so than they deserve is a wiser choice than sweeping things under the rugs as more innocent people perish.
Based on what part of the Constitution? I'm not talking about aliens but American citizens. What part of the Constitution validates stripping rights over suspicion?
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Knowledge or not, the inept government finds something to warrant a person being placed on a watch list. I too would push to have anyone on that list suspended from buying a gun. We live everyday in our lives with insurance, banking, etc where we might get hung up in our everyday lives trying to clear an issue. This is a far more serious issue than that.
You label the government inept yet trust it to strip rights from citizens based on nothing but suspicion?
Please the logic of that.
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