hillary: too much baggage and too many negatives

[Taratova]

Originally Posted by AnywhereElse

"Love"? Seriously? Are you sure it is this country, the USA? Gross anyway, loving Hillary. Even Bill can't seem to choke that down.



Now, I still like Bernie as do many people. Running next to Hillary, Bernie looks like a knight in shining armor. For months, and in reality still, Bernie was the only candidate that was beating Trump in the polls and by 10 points, I mean, consistently. Sadly, we can see that Hillary was promised the nomination, probably for her support of Obama in 2008 and that is why I suspect only 3 other candidates went up against her, wait, no one wants to be that close. I think Bernie stepped up to get his ideas out there and when they started to catch on, he got SERIOUS.

I hope that after seeing how crappy the system is, that his young voters work to make changes in the future, if we have a future which is questionable if Hillary wins in the General Election.




One poll of around 1,000 people. So if you manage to take the vote from everyone else, you got yourself one sorry POTUS!



Snopes.com is not reliable and leans LEFT. I hadn't realized that until lately. They do a lot of dancing around when it comes to investigating. Everyone seems to have a "price" these days.

Staying on the subject of "everyone seems to have a price these days", the Clintons have been tied to some really bad stuff and slipped out of it. Many believe they are guilty.

From Whitewater to Benghazi: A Primer on Bill and Hillary Clinton Scandals - The Atlantic

The deaths: http://www.freewebs.com/jeffhead/lib...y/bdycount.txt

‘Death list’ and IRS ravaged ‘women of Clinton’


Arab nations

That is a "sample".

Bill Clinton is dirty.

[SIZE=5] is by far the most dangerous man ever
to live in the White House."
--Nicholas A. Guerino, The Wall Street Underground [/SIZE][SIZE=5] A lawsuit against then-Governor Bill Clinton for misuse of state funds was filed in 1990, by Larry Nichols, former Director of Marketing for the Arkansas Finance Development Authority. In the process, Clintons sexual promiscuity was first made public. State policemen later told essentially the same story relative to Clinton¹s shady background.
Judge Jim Johnson, former Arkansas State Senator, and former Justice of the Arkansas Supreme Court, declared: ³ There is less evidence against 90% of the people on death row than these troopers have brought forth relative to Bill Clinton and his activities.
Arkansas lawyer Gary Johnson, a neighbor of Jennifer Flowers, was beaten within an inch of his life after it was disclosed that his security camera inadvertently taped Clinton calling upon Ms. Flowers.
Dennis Patrick escaped three attempts upon his life after he discovered millions of dollars passing through his account at the firm of Clinton supporter and friend Dan Lasater. (Lasater pleaded guilty to cocaine charges, was sentenced to 30 months in prison, was pardoned by Clinton). Others associated with the Clinton scene were less fortunate:

• Federal agents killed in the Branch Davidian raid in Waco, Tom McKeehan, Conway Le Bleu, and Robert Williams, were former Clinton bodyguards. (February 26, 1993)
• Attorney Paul Wilcher, who investigated drug and gun running out of Mena, Arkansas and their links to the Branch Davidians, died of undetermined causes three weeks after submitting a 99 page affidavit to Attorney General Janet Reno. (June 23, 1993)
• Four Marine presidential crewmen who escorted Clinton on the flight to the Carrier Roosevelt, Maj. William S. Barkley, Capt. Scott J. Reynolds, Staff Sgt. Brian D. Haney and Sgt. Timothy D. Sabel, died in a helicopter crash. (May 19, 1993) (2)
• Others associated with Clinton's March 12, 1993 visit to the Carrier Roosevelt (the meeting aboard the Roosevelt figures prominently in the U.N. Bosnia-Serbia peace keeping plans) who died in aviation accidents within four months of each other, include: Maj. Gen. Jarrett J. Robertson, Col. William J. Densberger, Col. Robert J. Kelley, and five Naval Aviators.
• Vincent Foster, Hillary's former Rose Law Firm Associate and legal council to the President, allegedly committed suicide, using a non-traceable hand gun, built from parts of several guns. Shadows of doubt cast by reports of not finding a suicide note were addressed when a note was miraculously produced much later, torn into pieces, void of fingerprints. Missing was the piece where the signature would appear. (July 7, 1993)
• Paula Gober, who traveled extensively with Clinton as his interpreter for the hearing-impaired, was killed in a solo auto accident near Monticello, Arkansas. Her body was found 33 feet away from her overturned car. (December 9, 1992)
• Clinton's State Attorney General Susan Coleman, who allegedly had an affair with Clinton, was shot in the back of her head.
• Arkansas pornography and prostitution ring 'model' Judy Gibbs, a frequent sexual partner of then-Governor Clinton, burned to death in a fire inside her home following her decision to cooperate with police.
• Clinton strategist and Democratic National Committee Political Director, Paul Tully, was found dead of unknown causes in a Little Rock hotel room. (September 9, 1992).
• Clintons national finance co-chairman and operator of a telecommunication service used by international police, C. Victor Raiser II, and his son Montgomery Raiser were killed in a private plane crash. (June 30, 1992)
• Clinton fund raiser Herschel Friday, an attorney from Little Rock, was killed in a single-engine plane accident.
• Clinton administration advisors on health care reform Stanley Heard and Steven Dickson were killed in the crash of their rented plane shortly after takeoff from Dulles Airport.
• Jim Wilhite, a friend of Bill Clinton and a business associate of White House Chief of Staff Mack McLarty, suffered fatal head injuries in a skiing accident. (December 12, 1992)
• The death of prominent attorney, developer, and Clinton fund-raiser, Ed Wiley, was ruled a suicide though no suicide note was found, nor was there an apparent motive for suicide. (November 30, 1993)
• Clinton¹s Chief of Security in Arkansas, Jerry Parks, was found along a roadside, riddled with bullets. Files kept in his office were missing.
• Dr. Ronald Rogers, believed to be on his way to an interview to reveal information about Clinton to a London Sunday Telegraph reporter, died in a plane crash. (March 3 1994)
• A witness for Paula Jones, Kathy Ferguson, the ex-wife of Arkansas State Trooper and Clinton bodyguard Danny Ferguson, was shot behind the left ear. The death was ruled a suicide. (May 11, 1994)
• Kathy Ferguson's fiance, Arkansas policeman Bill Shelton, who was critical of the Ferguson suicide ruling, died of a gunshot wound behind the left ear. His death was ruled a suicide. (June 1994).
• Jon Parnell Walker, a Resolution Trust Corporation investigator probing illegalities between the Clintons and Madison Guaranty S&L, allegedly committed suicide by leaping from the top of a 22-story apartment building.
• Stanley Huggin, an investigator into Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan, was found dead in Delaware.
• Admiral Jeremy M. (Mike) Boords, Chief of Naval Operations, shot himself in the chest with a .38 caliber handgun a few minutes before her was to be interviewed by a Newsweek reporter. He was tipped off that he would be asked two questions: Did he know Jonathon Jay Pollard? And, was he Pollard's 'handler' at the Navy Department? (3)
• Commerce Secretary Ron Brown, 34 American industrialists and flight crew aboard the Presidential plane Air Force-2 were killed when the Boeing T-43-A crashes into Sveti Ivan, Croatia, April 3, 1996. Air Force Stewardess Shelly Kelly, who is riding in the tail, sustains only minor cuts and bruises, and was able to board a rescue helicopter without assistance. She later dies at the hospital from loss of blood. According to journalist Joe L. Jordan, an autopsy later reveals a neat three-inch incision over her main femoral artery that was inflicted at least three hours after all her other cuts and bruises. Clinton hastily orders all bodies of the victims to be cremated. (4)
• Maintenance Chief Niko Jerkuic, in charge of the radio beacon that guided Air Force-2 to the runway at Cilipi Airport, commits suicide by shooting himself in the chest. Cilipi¹s air traffic controller also commits suicide and the tapes of the control tower disappear.

This list is incomplete. There are more, and there is much more to this story. (1) In 1988, when Bill Clinton was sitting as governor, two 17-year olds, Don Henry and Kevin Ives, were run over by a freight train. Clinton¹s Medical Examiner, Dr. Falmy Malak, first ruled the deaths a double suicide, citing a pact between the two boys, but later ruled the cause of death to be accidental. He said the boys were "in a deep sleep on the railroad tracks, under the influence of marijuana."
At the insistence of Mrs. Linda Ives, the bodies were exhumed and examined by Dr. Joesph Burton, Chief Medical Examiner from Atlanta. Dr. Burton Discovered that Henry had been stabbed in the back and Ives had his skull crushed, leading to the conclusion that the "wounds were so clearly evident, the Malak ruling was no simple mistake."
The boys were believed to have stumbled upon a huge drug transaction at Mena Airport. Five others thought to have had information on the murders were subsequently found dead. Keith Coney was killed in a motorcycle accident while fleeing an unknown attacker. Keith McCaskell was stabbed. Richard Winters, Jeff Rhodes and Gregory Collins were shot in the head.
(2) Personnel aboard the crashed helicopter were not a regular team. They were a make-up crew assigned to replace the scheduled crew that was scratched at the last minute for reasons unknown. Three minutes after takeoff from Quantico, at 12:46 pm, May 19, 1993, their copter crashed into a wooded area in Maryland. Archeologist Frank Owens, who happened to be nearby, was the first person at the crash site. What he saw was most bizarre. All four crew members apparently burned to death, yet their hair was not singed, their uniforms were not scorched, and there was no fire aboard the mangled helicopter. Also, there was very little bleeding despite the fact that the men suffered many deep lacerations.
Marine and JAG officers investigating the crash would not take a statement from Owens. Polices records pertaining to the incident were confiscated by the feds. Officially, there was no crash. Owens conducted his own investigation. The data he collected over the next two years lead to the conclusion that the flight crew was zapped by a powerful microwave beam from a Directed Energy Weapon (DEW) developed for the military. The burns were produced internally be the electromagnetic heating effect upon body fluids. Blood loss from lacerations was limited due to internal cauterization.
Just recently, Frank Owens received an anonymous call from someone whose voice he recognized as someone who is deep in government. The caller stated that the shoot-down was deliberate; that "the bodies of the people that were killed, other than the pilot, were dead before the helicopter crashed"; that Owen's phone calls are being monitored, and every one he talks to is at risk; and that "if you go forward with this, there is a chance that you and your family will be killed."
(3) According to Eustace Mullins,

The establishment approved version of Admiral Boorda's suicide is that he could not face being asked about the decorations he had worn and that suicide was the only way out. This ignored the fact that Boorda had removed the decorations months before when a question was raised about them. The inside story is that although Boorda had been tipped off that he would be asked about the Pollard association (Pollard was sentenced to life in prison without parole for selling the Navy Department's innermost secrets to Israel), he had only to deny it, and it would probably not appear in the printed interview. However, Mossad, informed of the approaching interview, decided that Clinton¹s perspective pardon of Pollard would be canceled if the question was raised at all. In accordance with their policy of 'minimizing risks', Tel Aviv ordered that the interview not take place. A Mossad operative followed Boorda, shot him in the chest, and went on his way.

(4) Nicholas A. Guerino, newsletter publisher of The Wall Street Underground , compiled a detailed and revealing report on the crash that killed Commerce Secretary Brown and the 35 others. His evidence lead him to the conclusion that the radio beacon guiding Air Force-2 was deliberately diverted to send the plane into the mountain.
Among the incredible anomalies that he cites is the fact that, on orders from high, the customary air safety investigation of plane crashes was killed. Croatian, Russian, and French TV and the U.S. European command in Stuttgart, Germany announced that the 'black boxes' containing the flight date recorder and the cockpit voice recorder were recovered and delivered to the U.S. Marines.
However, Pentagon brass later denied this and stated that Air Force-2 was not equipped with flight data and voice recorders (Interestingly, an LA talkradio station took a call from a man who identified himself as the electronics technical expert who stated he personally installed the 'black boxes' in AirForce-2 and completely ridiculed the Pentagon statement that the plane that had carried Hillary Clinton less than two weeks earlier on her trip to Europe was suddenly not equipped with flight date and voice recorders; as mentioned earlier, Maintenance Chief Niko Jerkuic, in charge of the radio beacon that guided guided Air Force-2 committed 'suicide' shortly after the crash).
Guerino listed a number of shake-down, payolas, and scams for which Brown was under investigation by the FDIC, a special investigator for the Justice Department, the Congressional Reform and Oversight Committee, and others. Four days before the crash, FBI and IRS agents subpoenaed as many as 20 witnesses for a Grand Jury probe of Brown. Attempts to quash the investigation were thwarted by Pennsylvania Representative William F. Klinger, Jr., Chairman of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, who revealed incriminating documents. Brown is said to have gone ballistic, and told Clinton that he wasn't going to take the rap. Sayonara Ron Brown.
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[banjomike]

Meh.
There's enough baggage with both of them to fill a train car.
The biggest difference is everyone knows what's in Hillary's, and no one knows for sure what is in Trump's.

But we will know more what Trump carried on pretty soon. Both parties are good at breaking open locked suitcases. If the Democrats don't break a few of those locks, there are some angry Republicans who will, and Donald Trump is no untouched dewey rose when it comes to shenanigans.

More than one skeleton will come tumbling out for all to see well before voting day rolls around. By then, all the stuff on Clinton's emails will be long settled. And that's about the only thing we don't know yet about her.

We have already seen how ineffective rattling old bones is. They didn't hurt Bush twice, and didn't hurt Obama twice. Nor did they hurt Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, nor Bush #1 any, either, way back when. They didn't even hurt McCain or Romney very much, even when they were on the fast track only occupied by losers.

Expecting them to scare voters now is not going to work any better this time around. It looks like people's minds are already pretty well made up as to who they'll vote for this year.

[AnywhereElse]

Originally Posted by ChloeC

Bernie is a better choice than Hillary...

So the stupid people theory is correct because if you people really believed Hillary is a horrible choice (which she is) Bernie would have won.

Well, has it turned out when Hillary said she would get the nomination and there was no question about it, she was correct and it really wasn't in the hands of the Democrats: Hacker Docs Show DNC Allied With Hillary Clinton Against Bernie Sanders - Breitbart And, all of the "questionable" primaries and caucuses makes it look like it was out of the hands of the voters.