Bernie Looks to have Won another California District (San Francisco) that Was originally called for Crooked Hillary

[t206]

Originally Posted by Cheesesteak Cravings

If you think the establishment will let Johnson win you're delusional.

The system is rigged. A libertarian should know that better than anybody.

Again, keep attacking me personally on something I never said, and in fact I said quite, Q U I T E, the opposite. Your personal attacks on me and the Libertarian philosophy are transparent attempts at you trying to obfuscate the original point of this thread on Bernies failure as a candidate.

[Cheesesteak Cravings]

Originally Posted by t206

Again, keep attacking me personally on something I never said, and in fact I said quite, Q U I T E, the opposite. Your personal attacks on me and the Libertarian philosophy are transparent attempts at you trying to obfuscate the original point of this thread on Bernies failure as a candidate.

What are you talking about.

[t206]

Originally Posted by Cheesesteak Cravings

What are you talking about.

I quoted you by mistake, but still, you calling me delusional when I've said over and over I do not expect Johnson to win.

[Cheesesteak Cravings]

Originally Posted by t206

I quoted you by mistake, but still, you calling me delusional when I've said over and over I do not expect Johnson to win.

The sad thing is you should have every reason to believe it would be possible for Johnson to win. I'd always considered people that called our elections a fraud, or an illusion as crazy conspiracy theorists, but I believe it now. There is no reason why voting and electing candidates should be a complicated process, but once you start digging what becomes obvious is that there is no proof they aren't being manipulated.

[t206]

Originally Posted by Cheesesteak Cravings

The sad thing is you should have every reason to believe it would be possible for Johnson to win. I'd always considered people that called our elections a fraud, or an illusion as crazy conspiracy theorists, but I believe it now. There is no reason why voting and electing candidates should be a complicated process, but once you start digging what becomes obvious is that there is no proof they aren't being manipulated.

I don't believe its the rigging of the system that would hold him back. Its more the lack of money, demonetization of third parties in general, the "wasted vote" mantra, and partially the ideology of the party.

Overall I just want to see them get the 5% popular vote that it would take to have them get matching funds in 2020. It would be great to have them get the 15% in the polls needed to be part of the debates this year too. If I've learned one thing this year, its that we need more options, or at least another voice at the table to force some other points of view that could hopefully influence whoever ends up winning.

[2e1m5a]

Originally Posted by Cheesesteak Cravings

If you think the establishment will let Johnson win you're delusional.

The system is rigged. A libertarian should know that better than anybody.

I don't know-the establishment seems to support the erosion of national borders, so that would be in line with Libertarian thought.

[i_love_autumn]

Originally Posted by PCALMike

But your libertarian agenda is a total joke compared to the social democratic agenda which was actually front and center of American politics from the 30s until the 70s with the most popular president in US history, FDR, being a staunch social democrat. So not only is pretty much every developed country in the world today a social democracy, except the US, but there are NONE that are libertarian and NONE that have ever fully implemented these far right extremist economic policies. So who is the dreamer?

[Stymie13]

I thought you guys thought only republicans rig elections