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Regardless of the party affiliation, I actually believe Sanders has more in common with Trump than with Clinton, both candidates
1) criticize big banks and want to break them up (we all know how cozy Clinton is with Wall Street)
2) against military foreign intervention (we all know how hawkish Clinton is in this matter)
Look at Trump's tax plan and his picks for Supreme Court and tell us that Sanders has more in common with Trump.
And who is who is not always so clear. A month ago Sanders would have been on the Progressive side. Now it's not so clear.
Its clear. He has a 40 year long track record of fighting for the middle class and lower class and has for decades routinely endorsed candidates he believes is the lesser of two evils.
Progressives are for the middle and lower class, GOP and Wall Street dems are not. Not that hard to understand.
Right, but Progs are now going to line up behind a staunch wall-street dem in Hillary regardless of whom the Republicans selected.
The irony being that if history has taught us anything....the most damage to banking regs etc. has occurred when a wall-street dem like (Bill or Hillary) Clinton teams up with Republicans (house & senate).
It shatters unified dem resistance because many won't go against their parties president and makes it easy to push stuff through like NAFTA, repealing Glass Steg etc.
Not saying you should vote for Trump lol...just more being like the weatherman saying that there is a giant sh*tstorm coming once again for the lower and middle class once Hillary gets elected and there's nothing that is going to stop it.
I still keep looking back at what Clinton did to the unions and industry in this country and am baffled at the wild popularity to this day.
Its clear. He has a 40 year long track record of fighting for the middle class and lower class and has for decades routinely endorsed candidates he believes is the lesser of two evils.
I'd like to think that if Hillary were doing better in the polls against Trump that he'd have the luxury of honestly speaking his mind about wall-street Billary and giving them his version of the political one finger salute.
Instead he has to hold his nose, drop to his knees and kiss their butts in the hope, the slim hope that he'll have some influence in limiting the damage they're going to dole out while serving their pay-masters.
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1) criticize big banks and want to break them up (we all know how cozy Clinton is with Wall Street)
2) against military foreign intervention (we all know how hawkish Clinton is in this matter)
Who won this bug was started by a Trump supporter? yes? I'm assuming you're at Trump supporter is well by your posts. Yes? The problem here is you guys just don't get it. It's not about giving away free stuff. It's not about whether people actually like her believe Hillary. At this point since Bernie is officially out. It's less about Wall Street at this point. Love learn and repeat this mantra. All the people on the left that are willing to vote for Hillary are voting for her because they want the supreme court, The Supreme Court, The Supreme Court. Even if Hillary was the devil herself. They would make that Faustian bargain. So again repeat after me Supreme Court, Supreme Court, Supreme Court.
As to the banks. I think we agree both parties have very dirty hands when it comes to the financial system. So blaming one or the other party at this point is rather meaningless. That being said both Trump and Hillary have a credibility problems when it comes to making promises. Remember both canidates are running for president not dictator. Trump could win. But once he gets in he will have a congress that will do their best to reign him in. And the rebulicans from my pov are not interested in restating glass-steagall or breaking up the banks. So it a dead end basically on that issue. Unless he try's to do it by executive order. But even then...much like some of obama's orders he'll be sued in the courts. And will most likely lose. So again. So again dead end.
As for war./policing actions. I agree with you about Hillary. But with trump it hard to exactly tell how he would be. He vacillates in between tough guy and dove. I do like some of his ideas on nato though. It time for Europe to handle more of the finacail responsibilities of nato. Granted we should do this slowly. The mid-east is a lot tougher. Honestly having a compherehensive plan for that part of the world is a pipe dream. It going to take 3 or 3 generations before all the parties involve...might....come to some agreement on how they will live with each other. The again maybe not.
I'd like to think that if Hillary were doing better in the polls against Trump that he'd have the luxury of honestly speaking his mind about wall-street Billary and giving them his version of the political one finger salute.
Instead he has to hold his nose, drop to his knees and kiss their butts in the hope, the slim hope that he'll have some influence in limiting the damage they're going to dole out while serving their pay-masters.
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He's now desperately trying to appeal to the real owners of society, the super rich and the big banks, with his VP pick and his Supreme Court justices which will be the final nail in the coffin for ordinary people to have a voice.
He's now desperately trying to appeal to the real owners of society, the super rich and the big banks, with his VP pick and his Supreme Court justices which will be the final nail in the coffin for ordinary people to have a voice.
Everyone knows the big bankers and powerful elite are backing Clinton this year..
He will be a puppet if he gets all that donor money he's begging for. At least that's the refrain I normally hear.
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Originally Posted by Mathguy
I'd like to think that if Hillary were doing better in the polls against Trump that he'd have the luxury of honestly speaking his mind about wall-street Billary and giving them his version of the political one finger salute.
Instead he has to hold his nose, drop to his knees and kiss their butts in the hope, the slim hope that he'll have some influence in limiting the damage they're going to dole out while serving their pay-masters.
He is doing what every candidate in modern history has done - putting his time and effort behind the nominee. Bernie knows that if any progressive initiatives are to be passed - it will ONLY be with a Democrat in the White House.
He also knows that Trump is likely a sociopathic dictator who should never, ever gain access to the WH.
(PS - what WAS that touching of Ivana's bottom right before Trump gave his speech?? Am I the only one that saw it?)
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Someones in denial....
That would be you IF you imagine that hordes of Bernie supporters are pulling the lever for orange dictator-in-waiting.
Its clear. He has a 40 year long track record of fighting for the middle class and lower class and has for decades routinely endorsed candidates he believes is the lesser of two evils.
Who is really quite evil. He could have went with principles instead and maybe made a difference.
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