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Old 07-22-2016, 10:36 AM
 
Location: North America
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What a surprise election day will be.
I agree! How do you plan to celebrate Clintons victory?











 
Old 07-22-2016, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Florida
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What a surprise election day will be.
That's what Republicans said in 2012 with Romney. They SWORE that Obama was going to be a single term president and it didn't even come close to turning out that way and the state polling was 100% correct.
 
Old 07-22-2016, 10:37 AM
 
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That will still result in a victory for Hillary in Arizona though.
I wouldn't bet on it. If Hillary wins the best she can likely hope for is Obama 2008 without Indiana. My guess is it would likely be Obama 2012 without Iowa and New Hampshire though, and maybe win North Carolina.
 
Old 07-22-2016, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I wouldn't bet on it. If Hillary wins the best she can likely hope for is Obama 2008 without Indiana. My guess is it would likely be Obama 2012 without Iowa and New Hampshire though, and maybe win North Carolina.
I think it's going to be Obama 2012 + Arizona + North Carolina - Nevada
 
Old 07-22-2016, 10:45 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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As far as July poll numbers go I would imagine that Presidents Carter and GHW Bush have opinions on how those numbers helped form their 2nd terms as well as Presidents Mondale, Dukakis, Gore and Kerry (and if he were alive President McGovern) could opine on their respective administrations.
 
Old 07-22-2016, 10:47 AM
 
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I think it's going to be Obama 2012 + Arizona + North Carolina - Nevada
If she wins Arizona she won't lose Nevada. It has a high proportion of Latinos and it's politics aren't as conservative.
 
Old 07-22-2016, 10:50 AM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Polls are a complete sham. Trump proved that this year. If you wanna believe in them and Santa Claus that's your right.
I cannot dismiss the polls as easily as you.

I've read posts like yours back in 2004, 2008, 2012. Guess what ???!!! The pollsters were almost always right with an undeniable degree of precision and accuracy.

Corporations, businesses, political parties, candidates all spend hundreds of millions of dollars on pollsters ... if the polls were not accurate no one would waste such fortunes on them.

Folks - whether Republican or Democrat - denounce the polls when they reveal bad news for their candidate, but cheer them and praise them when they indicate their guy is ahead.

That's the truth.
 
Old 07-22-2016, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC USA
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Actually polls have been pretty accurate this election season so far. They were within margin of error in the primaries. The fact that Hillary is leading into states such as Arizona and North Carolina really shows how bad of a candidate Donald Trump is. Hillary should not be leading in states like that. Even in Texas, the polls are in single digits between the two.
 
Old 07-22-2016, 10:54 AM
 
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I cannot dismiss the polls as easily as you.

I've read posts like yours back in 2004, 2008, 2012. Guess what ???!!! The pollsters were almost always right with an undeniable degree of precision and accuracy.

Corporations, businesses, political parties, candidates all spend hundreds of millions of dollars on pollsters ... if the polls were not accurate no one would waste such fortunes on them.

Folks - whether Republican or Democrat - denounce the polls when they reveal bad news for their candidate, but cheer them and praise them when they indicate their guy is ahead.

That's the truth.
Pretty much this. Although, there are some pollsters you can discount due to their history of inaccuracy. Rasmussen, ARG, Gravis, Democracy Copy to name a few.
 
Old 07-22-2016, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Clark Park View Post
I cannot dismiss the polls as easily as you.

I've read posts like yours back in 2004, 2008, 2012. Guess what ???!!! The pollsters were almost always right with an undeniable degree of precision and accuracy.

Corporations, businesses, political parties, candidates all spend hundreds of millions of dollars on pollsters ... if the polls were not accurate no one would waste such fortunes on them.

Folks - whether Republican or Democrat - denounce the polls when they reveal bad news for their candidate, but cheer them and praise them when they indicate their guy is ahead.

That's the truth.
LMAO! Exactly! Except for me...I honestly look at polls objectively. I may be a Hillary supporter, but if the polls showed Trump winning the general election, I would absolutely ADMIT IT!!
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