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Old 07-22-2016, 10:17 PM
 
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I think Hillary is the career flopper when it comes to gay marriage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVDzUWetslg

But I thought Trump is different from Hilary. I thought he is the honest one. I was told he tells it like it is.
I was lead to believe he is not like the DC career politicians who say whatever they think the public or audience they are addressing wants to hear at the time.......
So if he is just as flakey as Hilary and if he is just as untrustworthy as Clinton then what exactly makes him so different?
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Old 07-22-2016, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Surprise, AZ
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But I thought Trump is different from Hilary. I thought he is the honest one. I was told he tells it like it is.
I was lead to believe he is not like the DC career politicians who say whatever they think the public or audience they are addressing wants to hear at the time.......
So if he is just as flakey as Hilary and if he is just as untrustworthy as Clinton then what exactly makes him so different?
Most all politicians say whatever they think the public or audience they are addressing wants to hear. I'm not saying Trump doesn't do it, I'm just point out that Hillary (who has been a part of the establishment for a much longer time) has made a career out of it.
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Old 07-22-2016, 10:23 PM
 
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He has Pence. If he was pro LGBT rights, pro abortion, against the death penalty, against affirmitive action, against emminent domain, clandestine wars, and push for more sustainable energy/balanced with current energy sources I would vote for Trump.
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Old 07-22-2016, 10:28 PM
 
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Trump did in one primary cycle what liberals couldn't do in the past 15 years...get conservatives to accept gays and reject the GOP 1% establishment that never worked for their interest anyway.
acceptance of gays is a vague statement. Trump went a little overboard IMO. There are many gay people who don't align themselves with the official LBGTQ groups. Those groups are led by mostly straight democrats anyway. Just like blacks should not be forced to accept "black lives matter".

Letting your sexual orientation completly define yourself is a red flag.
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Old 07-22-2016, 10:30 PM
 
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Bushism is DOA. Clintonism will be slain this year.

By 2020, after 4 years of President Trump, Dems will be trying to win back blue collar workers.
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Old 07-22-2016, 10:41 PM
 
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Most all politicians say whatever they think the public or audience they are addressing wants to hear. I'm not saying Trump doesn't do it, I'm just point out that Hillary (who has been a part of the establishment for a much longer time) has made a career out of it.
So the problem is not so much doing it but for how long one has been doing it? Wouldn't that be hypocritical?
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Old 07-22-2016, 11:07 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Trump is a New Yorker and a former Democrat, somehow I'm sure he has had contact and business dealings with lots of gay people. I think he is not going to advance the anti-LGBT platform of the Republican Party. It's obvious by mentioning LGBT folks in his acceptance speech he is sending a signal to groups like the Family Research Council and the National Organization for Marriage (two main anti-gay organizations) that he is rejecting their rhetoric.

Hillary Clinton's views on same-sex marriage may - like Obama's - have changed or evolved, but understand this: Hillary was in favor of gay rights for over 30 years and the Clintons had many gay friends. I read the book Victory: The Triumphant Gay Revolution by Linda Hirschman (New York: Harper Perennial, 2012) and it well documented the Clinton's sympathy with the gay rights movement.
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Old 07-22-2016, 11:13 PM
 
Location: az
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Very smart move by the trump campaign.
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Old 07-22-2016, 11:15 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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acceptance of gays is a vague statement. Trump went a little overboard IMO. There are many gay people who don't align themselves with the official LBGTQ groups. Those groups are led by mostly straight democrats anyway...
That last statement is rubbish.

Where did you hear that?

Can you cite your sources?

Do you have some "secret" information about the history of the LGBT Rights Movement that is contrary to the hundreds of books that document the birth, infancy, growth, and development of Gay Liberation, the LGBT community, LGBT civil rights movement in countries around the world?

Again: what are your sources?
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Old 07-22-2016, 11:22 PM
 
Location: Surprise, AZ
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So the problem is not so much doing it but for how long one has been doing it? Wouldn't that be hypocritical?
I'm not the hypocrite who decided to highlight Republican views on gay rights while ignoring the elephant in the room.
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