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Old 07-31-2016, 03:29 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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East Ukraine is almost all Russian.
So is Brighton Beach, does that make it Russian territory?

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The nation of Ukraine, as much as I support it, was a fake entity. Western Ukraine is where the Ukrainians are.
How so?


BTW, still waiting to hear about Russia's lease of the Crimea you've alluded to.
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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East Ukraine is almost all Russian. The nation of Ukraine, as much as I support it, was a fake entity. Western Ukraine is where the Ukrainians are.
Eastern Ukraine is at most 25-40% ethnic Russian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...raine_2001.PNG

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Ukraine
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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So is Brighton Beach, does that make it Russian territory?



How so?


BTW, still waiting to hear about Russia's lease of the Crimea you've alluded to.
What's to 'hear'. When Ukraine left the USSR, the Crimean peninsula was immediately leased by necessity. You are approaching this as though I am pro annexation of the peninsula.
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:34 PM
 
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How silly.

  • Russia hasn't declared war on the Ukraine.
  • On the other hand, Obama/Hillary and the rest of those idiots backed a plan to overthrow the Democratically elected government which lead to the entire crisis in the first place.
  • It backfired spectacularly in Obama's face because of Putin.
End Result.
  • Crimea is part of Russia now. People there are glad of it.
  • East Ukraine looks to and supports Russia. This is where the industry and resources are located.
  • West Ukrane got Joe Biden's son as head of their Oil Company which has no Oil.

Obama & Hillary apologists are either either ignorant of this or ignore it, and seek to make it a Trump issue. I think they need a 12 step program for Derangement.
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:35 PM
 
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What's to 'hear'. When Ukraine left the USSR, the Crimean peninsula was immediately leased by necessity. You are approaching this as though I am pro annexation of the peninsula.
The Sevastopol naval base was leased but not "the Crimean peninsula".
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:38 PM
 
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The Sevastopol naval base was leased but not "the Crimean peninsula".
It most certainly is.
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:41 PM
 
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What's to 'hear'. When Ukraine left the USSR, the Crimean peninsula was immediately leased by necessity. You are approaching this as though I am pro annexation of the peninsula.
As I've stated before, Russia was leasing a naval facility by terms of a treaty they unilaterally terminated in 2014.

I'll ask again:

HOW is Ukraine a 'fake entity' as you allege?

If you don't know a lease does not give one title to the leased property but what evidence do you have a lease of Crimea by Russia is still in effect?
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:41 PM
 
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I find it shocking that the GOP would change their platform to make it pro-Putin and pro-Russia, and then Manafort and Trump would both claim they had nothing to do with it. Trump could possibly be unaware as to who in his campaign actually was involved, as he seems oblivious to how the campaign is run, so could say without lying "I had nothing to do with it." (technically of course).

But Manafort flat-out lied to Chuck Todd this morning, and you could see Todd was stunned by that lie. There are GOP delegate eye-witnesses who have verified the fact that the Trump campaign insisted that pro-Putin stance be added to the GOP platform.

Trump is clueless, but Manafort is a total sleazebag.
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:42 PM
 
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It most certainly is.
And your proof of that would be?

BTW, we know you love Donny but unlike him we want proof of what's alleged.
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:43 PM
 
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And your proof of that would be?.
Any map of Europe.

I realize that Hillary's supporters aren't one for facts (if they were they could never vote for the woman), but that one should be obvious.
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