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Old 08-01-2016, 12:22 PM
 
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Comney said in front of congress that only 3 emails were marked classified, all 3 marked incorrectly so that the person reading wouldnt have know n they were classified and that 2 of the 3 shouldnt have been marked so in the first place.


So at best, you are talking about her receiving 1 email, and worst 3. this seems like nitpicking.


I look at it as the 1 email she missed while deleting the rest....

 
Old 08-01-2016, 12:23 PM
 
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The state department had rules in place since 2005 about the handling and archiving of emails. Hillary broke those rules as head of the state department. She is not qualified to be POTUS.
 
Old 08-01-2016, 12:23 PM
 
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He said she was ignorant and extremely careless and did not mean to break the law. Ignorance is no excuse and extreme carelessness pretty much amounts to gross negligence. Certainly enough to bring charges and let a jury decide. As would be the case if it was any regular citizen.
Exactly. Had that been anyone else they would have ended up in court and would likely have been put in jail considering all of the aspects of this case.
 
Old 08-01-2016, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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I'm a US veteran and have been a civilian for a few years now, in the military we are taught (and I say taught very lightly because we're actually drilled very hard about classified document/info security on a daily basis) that no matter who you are or what your rank is, your handling of information is critical and your personal freedom depends on it. What Hillary did wasn't just a mistake, she purposely created the situation that we are all talking about. She went far out of her way to create the mechanism that caused all the problems we are talking about. She lied many, many times in various news conferences and interviews about the email system as a whole, every time she was caught in a lie she just created a new lie in an attempt to cover the last.

Comey said very clearly that she mishandled emails, period.
Mishandled the emails in his opinion, but not in a way that made it illegal. In short, he is offering up his opinion of how he would run his office(FBI),not the legal status of the issue.

In short, you are still trying to argue opinion as legal fact when they are not one in the same.
 
Old 08-01-2016, 12:43 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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1 mishandled classified email would land you or me in prison without a doubt, even if we hadn't gone out of our way to set up our own unsecured server to handle emails outside of the government email system...


Simply not true.





DAVID PETRAEUS

The best-known recent prosecution involves the former CIA director who pleaded guilty last year to a misdemeanor count of unlawful removal and retention of classified materials. He was spared prison as part of his plea and was given two years' probation by a judge who faulted him for a "serious lapse in judgment."

The retired four-star Army general admitted that he loaned his biographer, Paula Broadwell, with whom he was having an affair, eight binders containing highly classified information regarding war strategy, intelligence capabilities and identities of covert officers. FBI agents seized the binders from an unlocked desk drawer at his home, instead of a secure facility that's required for handling classified material.

One critical distinction is that while Clinton has repeatedly said she didn't send or receive anything that was classified at the time — something the State Department now says it's investigating — the Petraeus plea deal makes clear that he knew the information he provided was classified. He told Broadwell in a recording revealed by prosecutors that the binders had "code-word stuff in there."

When questioned by the FBI, he denied having given Broadwell classified information, though he avoided being charged with making a false statement.

The outcome drew accusations of a double standard for senior brass from defense lawyers who asserted that their less-influential clients wouldn't have been treated with such leniency.






SANDY BERGER

Berger was the national security adviser during Bill Clinton's second term. After leaving office, he found himself in trouble for destroying classified documents.

Berger, who died in December at age 70, pleaded guilty in 2005 to illegally sneaking classified documents from the National Archives by stuffing papers in his suit. He later destroyed some of them in his office and lied about it. The materials related to terror threats in the United States during the 2000 millennium celebration.

He pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material, and though he avoided prison time, he lost access to classified material for three years.

A judge fined him $50,000, higher than the amount recommended by prosecutors.

Berger called his actions a lapse in judgment that came as he was preparing to testify before the Sept. 11 commission that examined the events leading up to the 2001 attacks.

"I let considerations of personal convenience override clear rules of handling classified material," he said at the time.




BRYAN NISHIMURA

Nishimura, a former Naval reservist in Afghanistan in 2007 and 2008 and a regional engineer for the U.S. military, was investigated for downloading and storing classified information on his personal electronic devices.

Prosecutors say he carried the materials with him off-base in Afghanistan and took classified Army records to his home in Folsom, California, after his deployment ended.

His lawyer, William Portanova, said Nishimura never intended to break the law but was a "pack rat" who thought nothing of warehousing Army records at home alongside personal belongings.

FBI agents who searched his home found classified military records, both in hard copy and digital form. Nishimura also admitted to investigators that he had destroyed some of the information.

Nishimura pleaded guilty in July to unauthorized removal and retention of classified materials. A judge fined him $7,500, and he was ordered to surrender his security clearance.

The violation was a technical and unintentional one, Portanova said, but one that the Justice Department nonetheless thought it needed to punish "to make its point."





I don't see a lot of jail time in there, do you?


I'm no fan of Hillary, and I won't be voting for her, but there's no need for hyperbole in order to justify disdain for her actions.
 
Old 08-01-2016, 02:02 PM
 
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That's complete BS, anyone with Clinton's level of access should have reasonably known that the emails should have never been on her server in the first place. Let's not gloss over the fact that 1) the server should have never existed 2) she lied about deleting emails from said server 3) she lied to the American people about what was on the server 4) and she purposely hid the fact that she had the server set up in the first place.
You said the fact that the classified emails were improperly marked as classified is "BS", but you proceed to not list a single reason why you said that and opted to divert the message to "she should have known the server is a bad idea."

That maybe the case, but that's also a completely different argument.

Hillary didn't know those were classified emails because they were not correctly marked as such. She didn't lie, she simply was under the impression that she handled classified emails correctly.
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Old 08-01-2016, 02:04 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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At least Hillary is more intelligent than Donald Trump. I consider him a clownish buffoon.
 
Old 08-01-2016, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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It's pathological.
 
Old 08-01-2016, 02:43 PM
 
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Even Comey said I was truthful.
Now she thinks everyone is picking on her.......


Quote; "Every time I run for office all these caricatures come out of nowhere and try to undermine me!"




Holy crap, she is full of it! Then she goes on to blame Trump......she has a real hard time with personal responsibility. She just needs to own it and lose the race.
 
Old 08-01-2016, 03:30 PM
 
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Mishandled the emails in his opinion, but not in a way that made it illegal. In short, he is offering up his opinion of how he would run his office(FBI),not the legal status of the issue.

In short, you are still trying to argue opinion as legal fact when they are not one in the same.
No, she mishandled THOUSANDS of government emails. That's not an opinion, that's a proven fact. Whether or not her mishandling is/was prosecuted is the only thing up for debate. We know for a fact that he purposely setting up a private, unsecured server in her home which was maintained by 3rd party, un-vetted vendors means that she mishandled government related emails. You can try twisting this all you want like you always do but you're just flat out wrong and there's nothing you can do or say that will change it.

Hillary Clinton did not handle her SOS email communications wisely, securely or properly.
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