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Old 08-17-2016, 01:14 PM
 
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Multiple sources say that Bush received several warnings from the CIA about a potential attack, but that those warnings didn't fit the agenda that Bush and Cheney had.

I think blaming it all on Bill Clinton is about partisanship, not reality.
You sound like one of those crazy conspircy theory people claiming the government did it.

There is ample evidence that the CIA was working overtime trying to figure out when, and where the attacks would be, sorry, but Bush, and Chaney didn't do it.

Bill Clinton could have solved the problem by dealing with bin Laden, but his complete incompliance cost thousands of Americans their lives.
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Old 08-17-2016, 01:21 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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You sound like one of those crazy conspircy theory people claiming the government did it.

There is ample evidence that the CIA was working overtime trying to figure out when, and where the attacks would be, sorry, but Bush, and Chaney didn't do it.

Bill Clinton could have solved the problem by dealing with bin Laden, but his complete incompliance cost thousands of Americans their lives.
IF bin Laden was known to be an imminent threat, WHAT did Bush do about getting to him in the almost 8 months he had before 9/11?

I'll make it easy for you and give you multiple choice:

1) NOTHING

2) NOTHING

3) NOTHING

4) NOTHING

The correct answer is NOTHING, he was too busy plotting an invasion/occupation of a country that had done nothing to us while ignoring what you allege was a known threat.
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Old 08-17-2016, 01:25 PM
 
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IF bin Laden was known to be an imminent threat, WHAT did Bush do about getting to him in the almost 8 months he had before 9/11?

I'll make it easy for you and give you multiple choice:

1) NOTHING

2) NOTHING

3) NOTHING

4) NOTHING

The correct answer is NOTHING, he was too busy plotting an invasion/occupation of a country that had done nothing to us while ignoring what you allege was a known threat.
Why didn't Bill act in the 8 years he had?

By the time Bush was in office, Bin Laden was in hiding.

Clinton had the chance, but failed to act.

Heck, Hillary has more balls than Bill, she would have taken out Bin Laden.
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Old 08-17-2016, 01:27 PM
 
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Multiple sources say that Bush received several warnings from the CIA about a potential attack, but that those warnings didn't fit the agenda that Bush and Cheney had.

I think blaming it all on Bill Clinton is about partisanship, not reality.
a potential attack. No where's, when's, how's or who's. Obama's FBI had several warnings about multiple individuals so far and failed. They even had the WHO's and the administration told them to back off. Talk about not fitting the agenda, that's reckless in every sense of the word and most of all dangerous and look what happened. MANY people killed as a result.
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Old 08-17-2016, 01:33 PM
 
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Partisanship IS the reality of the current GOP. Why else would they be supporting a loud-mouthed NYC liberal as their latest 'conservative ' icon?
A good number in the GOP aren't supporting Trump.
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Old 08-17-2016, 01:36 PM
 
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a potential attack. No where's, when's, how's or who's. Obama's FBI had several warnings about multiple individuals so far and failed. They even had the WHO's and the administration told them to back off. Talk about not fitting the agenda, that's reckless in every sense of the word and most of all dangerous and look what happened. MANY people killed as a result.
An imminent attack, at the hands of Al Qaeda.

You can ignore the facts if you want. But that was part of the problem, Bush and Cheney were picking and choosing what intel to give weight to. Frankly, Trump seems inclined to follow the same path. Worse, he seems inclined to let Putin do the picking and choosing.
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Old 08-17-2016, 01:39 PM
 
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You sound like one of those crazy conspircy theory people claiming the government did it.

There is ample evidence that the CIA was working overtime trying to figure out when, and where the attacks would be, sorry, but Bush, and Chaney didn't do it.

Bill Clinton could have solved the problem by dealing with bin Laden, but his complete incompliance cost thousands of Americans their lives.
You can try to discredit me all you want. O'Neill and Clarke were there at the time, and their books reveal that Bush and Cheney were cherry-picking intel to support their agenda. Bill Clinton did have opportunities to stop Bin Laden, but Bush and Cheney were given intel about an imminent Al Qaeda attack, but ignored it, as their focus was on Iraq from day one. Plenty of blame to go around.
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Old 08-17-2016, 01:42 PM
 
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You can try to discredit me all you want. O'Neill and Clarke were there at the time, and their books reveal that Bush and Cheney were cherry-picking intel to support their agenda. Bill Clinton did have opportunities to stop Bin Laden, but Bush and Cheney were given intel about an imminent Al Qaeda attack, but ignored it, as their focus was on Iraq from day one. Plenty of blame to go around.
You're into full on conspircy theory territory now. I have no interest in discussing "the government did it" conspircy theories.
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Old 08-17-2016, 01:44 PM
 
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You're into full on conspircy theory territory now. I have no interest in discussing "the government did it" conspircy theories.
I'm not advancing any conspiracy theories. Sorry that you cannot rebut my posts and so resort to attacking me personally.

In the meantime, apropos to this thread, what intelligence agencies will Trump rely on? Putin's?
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Old 08-17-2016, 01:49 PM
 
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Why didn't Bill act in the 8 years he had?
But he did:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Infinite_Reach

He also pleaded with the buddies of the Bushs, the Saudis to take bin Laden in 1996 as he'd committed no crimes against US interests at the time but the Saudis said no.

By the time Bush was in office, Bin Laden was in hiding.[/quote]

In a word: HOGWASH! Planning the Iraq invasion had Bush too occupied to worry about OBL.

Since you seem to enjoy slinging blame, let's throw some at Ronnie Raygun, OK?

After all, he supported bin Laden in Afghanistan.

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Clinton had the chance, but failed to act.
Again:HOGWASH!

Bush had the chance to act and plotted a yuuuge waste of American blood and taxpayer $$$ of no benefit to the US instead.

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Heck, Hillary has more balls than Bill, she would have taken out Bin Laden.
Your widdle Donny would've happily sold him a condo.
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