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Old 09-08-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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You clearly support crony capitalism. Time and time again, you are praising the billionaire class and their puppets and believe cronyism and screwing over the 99% is the right thing to do. In this thread again, you are praising the viewpoints of the billionaire class and Reaganomics which have decimated the working class of America.

Massive tax breaks for the rich and powerful, weakening anti-trust legislation to ensure high prices for the 99%, erosion of the minimum wage, attacks on working Americans at all levels to ensure that workers have as little leverage as possible over employers and of course the icing on the cake: no restrictions on campaign finance laws to ensure legalized bribery as the billionaires you love can ********* over by buying all elected representatives. Trump promises to make it impossible to ever win office again without begging the super rich for money. His list of supreme court justices is the dream of the crony capitalists.
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p.s. I no where, supported crony capitalism, is this way of
A) backpeddling from the ridiculous anti capitalism stance you have
or
B) Proving you lack the ability to comprehend someone elses statements...
Sounds like B..

I dont praise the billionaire class.. YOU LACK THE ABILITY to comprehend that simply taking from billionaires does NOT make you better. You need billionaires.. in a FREE MARKET SYSTEM.

Here, lets help you save face.. Explain to me how you are harmed because Warren Buffet is worth $75 billion give or take.

I'll wait..
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Old 09-08-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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No candidate can "increase my wage" that is something only my employer can do. The best a candidate can do is tinker with tax policy and TAKE LESS of my wage.
Isn't government taking less of your money a good thing? Do you really think that taxing the company you work for higher doesn't affect you and your paycheck. Do you really believe companies pick money off trees? You didn't notice that the good and bad DOES trickle down to you? Obama's economy should have proved that.

And yes, policies do effect you. When business is good companies will pay higher wages to attract and keep good employees. Competition also has a positive effect on your wages.
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Old 09-08-2016, 10:55 AM
 
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And the outcome of Obama's economy (and Obama 2.0)? Low employment, low wages, part time jobs.

Ok, if that makes you happy.
Get real. There is no possible way to have a utopian economy after the great destruction by the GOP and with the rest of the world still mired in their own Great Recession.

The Obama economy has more than overachieved given the circumstance - it helped the housing and stock market recover, created legions of new riches, and lifted many people to the next level of wealth. What we need now is a president who knows how to lift those who got left behind. And that person is clearly not Trump.
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Old 09-08-2016, 10:57 AM
 
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The Obama economy created legions of millionaires and lifted many people to the next level of wealth.

The real issue here, which you do not understand; is that while the economy was great, it left some people behind.

So, the next president should be someone who knows how to lift the bottom third of the working class out of their stagnation. When you see it in its proper context, there is no question the best candidate is Hillary Clinton.
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No. Google, UnderArmour, Gilead, Facebook, Amazon, Instagram, Tumblr, blogging, easy access to web hosting, and a gazillion other tech companies created millionaires. Pretty sure that neither Obama or any other politician started and drove those companies to the level of success they enjoy today.
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Old 09-08-2016, 10:59 AM
 
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The Obama economy created legions of millionaires and lifted many people to the next level of wealth..
we had "legions" of millionaires pre economic crash as well. Those who can benefit from big government policies do so, by making far more than they should under a fair economy..
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The real issue here, which you do not understand; is that while the economy was great, it left some people behind..
They got left behind because the policy makers WANTED THEM left behind. you can not lift those out of welfare by promoting welfare. ITS IMPOSSIBLE
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So, the next president should be someone who knows how to lift the bottom third of the working class out of their stagnation. When you see it in its proper context, there is no question the best candidate is Hillary Clinton.
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Clinton has done NOTHING to indicate she knows how to lift the bottom third, or anyone else, out of poverty. That statement is completely laughable. Even her husband, whined and cried when he was signing legislation to reopen government, stating the economy was gonna collapse and people would be damaged due to the Contract with America. Of course the exact opposite took place.

Clintons have been on the wrong side of the american people FOREVER. but hey, they can lie a lot and claim they've done soo much for the working poor.. please.. I'd have to be a complete idiot to buy that nonsense..
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Old 09-08-2016, 11:01 AM
 
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I am not a fan of Obama, I didnt vote for him. Please stop avoiding the issue. Prior to Reaganomics, we had strong economic growth, shared prosperity, strong unions and higher tax rates for the rich. Investing in health and education and implementing a social safety net is what helps the 99%. The last 40 years has been an endless transfer of wealth, income and political power to the top 0.1% at your expense. That is the reality, whether you like it or not. And if you continue to meekly grovel the billionaire class, you are telling your representatives that they can safely ignore you and continue to serve their financial overlords.
No we didn't? I was starting out at that time and the question was "do you have a job" not what do you do for a living. It wasn't until later that interest rates were brought under control and jobs came back.

Thank you Reagan, Clinton just rode his coat tails.
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Old 09-08-2016, 11:03 AM
 
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Get real. There is no possible way to have a utopian economy after the great destruction by the GOP and with the rest of the world still mired in their own Great Recession.

The Obama economy has more than overachieved given the circumstance - it helped the housing and stock market recover, created legions of new riches, and lifted many people to the next level of wealth. What we need now is a president who knows how to lift those who got left behind. And that person is clearly not Trump.
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oh please. please cite for me what policies caused the great destruction of the GOP's..

The housing and stock market recover? you do understand that all you have to do to increase the stock market is lower the interest rates at the bank, ROI rates for the bond market etc and the stock market climbs. That doesnt mean the economy is doing better, in fact we know its not because the government had to pump money into the banks in order to create capital.

What we've learned is that the Democrats not only do not know how to lift those who got behind, but they do know how to create MORE of them.

Is this the new talking point of the let? yeah, those poor people left behind will be our next focus group.. we only need another 8 years.. just give us another 8 years.. PLEASE..
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Old 09-08-2016, 11:03 AM
 
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hahahal... you think we are failing as a nation because of tax policies?

There is no surprise that the more influence you give government, the more the wealthy will benefit.
Yes, thats why there has been a massive attack on government by the billionaire class, their puppets and their think tanks over the past 50 years. Working stiffs who hate the only potentially democratic institution in the land are just shooting themselves in the foot. The billionaire class loves the idea of handing over Medicare and Social Security to Wall Street. Who do you think write anti-trust legislation when you hand over your political power to the donor class? The rich and the powerful will ensure that patents and anti-trust legislation help them and stiffs you.
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Old 09-08-2016, 11:04 AM
 
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Get real. There is no possible way to have a utopian economy after the great destruction by the GOP and with the rest of the world still mired in their own Great Recession.

The Obama economy has more than overachieved given the circumstance - it helped the housing and stock market recover, created legions of new riches, and lifted many people to the next level of wealth. What we need now is a president who knows how to lift those who got left behind. And that person is clearly not Trump.
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The great recession was caused by greedy people who wanted something they couldn't afford and other greedy people taking advantage of them. And it was the Democrats who said that there was nothing wrong even laughed at anyone who tried to warn them of the coming crash.

Democrats with their easy money (just like now) broke it and now they are here to save you ba ha ha ha
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Old 09-08-2016, 11:05 AM
 
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No we didn't? I was starting out at that time and the question was "do you have a job" not what do you do for a living. It wasn't until later that interest rates were brought under control and jobs came back.

Thank you Reagan, Clinton just rode his coat tails.
Not entirely true. While Clinton did ride Reagans coat tails to a point.. Clinton gave in to the GOP demands for lower taxes, cutting the welfare, slowed down the growth of government, which ultimately lead to an almost balanced budget. Causing the economy to explode.

Thats the exact opposite of what we have under Obama, and Hillary Clinton, who run around telling us that large deficits grow the economy, high taxes, grows the economy..

And these left wing idiots, who tout President Clintons success, somehow think the exact opposite policies of Obamas, is going to lead to the same results.

Its mind boggling how stupid they are.
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