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Old 09-16-2016, 07:25 PM
 
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She is. The character, or in Trump's case, lack of character, in the Commander in Chief is extremely important.
And Hillary has a lot of character? LOL! In what alternate universe?

 
Old 09-16-2016, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Can't accept the truth without deflecting to a what if?
That sounds familiar.

Hillary needs to be propped up against a post and shoved into a car, and doesnt even know she lost a shoe--and Trump needs to release his medical records. Proof abounds that Hillary's camp (My God, does this woman know anything?) started the birther krap, and Trump should apologize.

BTW, I'm sure the MNM will replay Hillary's wimpy 2008 response to The Question. She couldn't say "Yes [I think Obama was born here] without adding a boatload of qualifiers (after a pregnant pause) such as from what I know and I haven't heard anything different.

After all, it's a shame to let those staffers' hard work go to waste.
 
Old 09-16-2016, 07:25 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Hillary's supporters know she's not honest. Liberals are smart enough to know no politicians are honest. Trumpers on the other hand believe every word from his mouth. Trumpers accused anyone against the Iraq war of hating America up until Donald said he opposed it. Trumpers accused anyone against free trade of being socialist in the Bush era but got their talking points from Donald that we should end NAFTA. Trumpers fought gay marriage tooth and nail until Donald told them it's their own business. You don't have a leg to stand on claiming Trumpers aren't easily led by the nose since they change their deepest beliefs when a loudmouth leader tells them to.
Sorry, but I think you are making stuff up. Personally, I have never been against gay marriage, and I would challenge you to find any post where I have stated that I was against it in the 10 years I have been on this message board. In fact, part of the reason I like Trump is because he is not a social conservative, and I think it's great that he has the evangelicals fooled into thinking he is.

I also need proof of your other statements. For example, when asked by Howard Stern if we should go into Iraq, he said “Yeah, I guess so. You know, I wish it was, I wish the first time it was done correctly."

Hardly a ringing endorsement.

Show me where he said "Anyone against the Iraq war hates America." On Factcheck.org he said many things about the war. Some mildly positive, some negative. But nowhere did he say anything like what you are claiming.

NAFTA? 1993 Trump speaks forcefully against NAFTA

I think you have some preconceived notions and generalizations, bolstered by leftist rhetoric, but those notions don't hold up to scrutiny.
 
Old 09-16-2016, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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Hillary Clinton Campaign Manager Admits 2008 Birther Link

The staffer got fired right away, but did anybody hear Hillary speak out about it and refute what the staffer had done at that time?
How does this change the fact that Trump was the leading voice in the Birther movement for years?

Because Clinton did not refute it does not mean she supported it! That's spurious logic..and unsupportable.

Had she supported it, she would have said so...at worst, she's guilty of allowing the rumor to play out in the hopes of getting a few votes in 2008...hardly a surprise when a politician seeks advantage.

C'mon folks...use your heads
 
Old 09-16-2016, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Caverns measureless to man...
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That's one. Mark Penn, on the other hand, was NOT fired, and his strategy memo was quite telling. Hillary was supposed to emphasize Obama's lack of American roots. Yet just today, she's on the campaign trail, indignant about how she says a President Trump might treat people who "don't look like him."

As Elton John sang, The beech is back.
Bullsht. I have read the Penn Memo so many times, I know passages of it by heart. And there is not one single word in there that even tangentially references Obama's birthplace. The entire memo is clearly about Obama's childhood in Indonesia and Hawaii, and how Hillary could benefit from highlighting the fact that while Obama grew up in these exotic places on the other side of the ocean, where people all wear brightly colored clothes and have lots of melanin, she was raised in Middle America, and thus has more traditional American values. Not even a word about where he was born. Not a word.

That's it. That's the Penn Memo.

Another low-information conservative who has no idea what they're talking about.
 
Old 09-16-2016, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Are you trying to deny it was someone from Clinton's staff that started it? If that hadn't happened then no one else would have been involved.
Will you please! stop repeating the "When did you stop beating your wife" question in every post and smell the coffee?

The birther movement did not start with the Clinton campaign. That has been made very clear in even Breitbart. Clinton had the rogue staffer fired as soon as she heard about it. She immediately had her #1 staffer call Obama's #1 and apologize for her rogue staff's miscue. That's a hell of a lot more than Trump has done. He still hasn't apologized to Obama for defaming him for years..

Last edited by mohawkx; 09-16-2016 at 07:47 PM..
 
Old 09-16-2016, 07:38 PM
 
Location: United States
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As is often the case with Trump fans, it's hard to tell whether you are deliberately misrepresenting what the article says, or you just lack the ability to understand what you're reading. But either way, there is not a single word in that paragraph that says anything at all about the staffer starting the idiot Birther movement. Not one word. You are either making that up, or you are just accepting that that's what the article says because you don't know how to puzzle out what it actually says.

In other words, either you or the headline editor made it up, but at least one of you is flatout lying.
I love it, Hillary's campaign manager admits spreading the lie that Obama isn't a US citizen, and all the dems try to pretend it isn't true.

Sidney Bluthenthal gathered the information, and Hillary's campaign spread it around.


Patti Solis Doyle, who was Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager in 2008 until the Iowa caucuses, admitted on Friday that a Clinton campaign staffer had, in fact, circulated the Birther conspiracy theory that Barack Obama was born outside the U.S.
 
Old 09-16-2016, 07:40 PM
 
Location: United States
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Originally Posted by Elliott_CA View Post
Extending the remarks by WaPo columnist Greg Sargent

"The real story here: Trump backed down in the face of an escalating national debate over his racism: "
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/st...08268882669569

Clinton makes her "deplorables" remark, it starts a national conversation on race. After all these years Trump is forced to publicly back down on his long-held birther beliefs.

Trump folded. Clinton outsmarted Trump on this one.
And it's being exposed that Hillary's campaign did indeed start the birther movement.

You can't make this stuff up.


Patti Solis Doyle, who was Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager in 2008 until the Iowa caucuses, admitted on Friday that a Clinton campaign staffer had, in fact, circulated the Birther conspiracy theory that Barack Obama was born outside the U.S.
 
Old 09-16-2016, 07:41 PM
 
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Oh, so your link basically proved that Hillary Clinton didn't start the Birther thing.

Thanks for playing.
.
But where does the buck stop?
With Clinton.
Thanks for deflecting.
 
Old 09-16-2016, 07:43 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Elliott_CA View Post
She is. The character, or in Trump's case, lack of character, in the Commander in Chief is extremely important.
..and you promised that you were going to vote for Trump.. don't go back on your word now..
TRUMP 2016
Elliot for VP
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