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Old 10-08-2016, 07:00 AM
 
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Does it matter? She will not "recall" saying whatever she says and as we know from the latest wikileaks, "you need a public and private position on every issue." Not sure where that thinks most people think that goes but to me, "public" is lie to them if it works to promote the "private". That is what Hillary has demonstrated in the past.

Free college? With no jobs and $6.3 trillion in the cost of making illegal aliens "legal" and $65,000 for EACH resettled refugee, where is the money coming from for any of her promises to US citizens. Remember, Hillary is not the candidate that is promoting "America First".
Tuition free public college is an INVESTMENT which is desperately needed if America wants to compete with the world. We spent 3 trillion in Iraq or 50 years' worth of tuition free public college. For what?

Funny how working class folks are so concerned about costs whenever a candidate wants to invest in the quality of life of Americans, but will vote for people who promises huge tax breaks for the donor class and enormous gifts to the military industrial complex. No concern about costs then!
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Old 10-08-2016, 07:04 AM
 
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Yes -- free college would just mean more unemployed/underemployed college grads, both by virtue of increasing the number of college grads and decreasing the number of jobs available to them by taxing the most productive citizens to pay for this handout.

The Democrats' economic policy is so insane it's getting to the point the government will have to start penalizing people for not hiring or for letting people go. Otherwise, there will be no incentive to actually hire someone. What's amazing is the number of idiots that buy into it hook, line, and sinker.
Once upon a time elementary and High School wasn't free either.
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Old 10-08-2016, 07:26 AM
 
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In the past many colleges have been free. CUNY in NYC was free for decades and it produced great students and professionals Its not impossible or super expenses if budget for. It also means, unlike today, graduates can begin to rent their own apartments or buy homes or cars instead of repaying huge student loans. Imagine if Trump and folks like him paid a rate in Federal taxes comparable to us, thats how we pay for it. European nations economic systems indicate how it can be done. Germany can indicate how increased taxes profits society and makes over all costs lower. Germans have universal health care, free college, and other things. Yes, they pay more in taxes. Yet they dont save for their kids college, dont spend hundres every paycheck for health insurance. Think bigger.
Most countries that offer free education establish limits on the number of people who can get it, based upon the future need for those graduates. That generates competition for those spots in higher education, and, ultimately, creates better graduates. Compare that to what we have in the US right now, where everybody is told they need to go to college, and most who attempt to do so are not qualified to be there. Then, when they can't get a job to pay for the student loans, people like Bernie and Hillary have to come along and "save" them with promises they can't keep.
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Old 10-08-2016, 07:33 AM
 
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Most countries that offer free education establish limits on the number of people who can get it, based upon the future need for those graduates. That generates competition for those spots in higher education, and, ultimately, creates better graduates. Compare that to what we have in the US right now, where everybody is told they need to go to college, and most who attempt to do so are not qualified to be there. Then, when they can't get a job to pay for the student loans, people like Bernie and Hillary have to come along and "save" them with promises they can't keep.
Well you see your response is part of the solution. Your response has a great deal of sense. It begins a dialogue. NOT everyone will go to these free colleges Private colleges will be more prestigious and perhaps better in many fields. Free university may be limited to junior colleges. Or subsidized state and city schools. In NY you have SUNY and in NYC CUNY, that could be free or greatly more affordable. The federal govt could subsidize trade and apprenticeship programs. Not every one will have free University in the US. But its essential the nation moves to that direction, its a investement.
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Old 10-08-2016, 07:45 AM
 
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She just wants to sit in the Oval Office. Barry should rent it out to her for a few hours so she can get it out of her system.
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Old 10-08-2016, 09:56 AM
 
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Once upon a time elementary and High School wasn't free either.
It's isn't free now -- check your property tax bill and, if you're renting, ask your landlord for his.
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Old 10-08-2016, 02:00 PM
 
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It's isn't free now -- check your property tax bill and, if you're renting, ask your landlord for his.
Its tuition free. Are you against that as well? I find it interesting how working stiffs dont want their children to be able to compete on a more level playing field with children of the donor class. A working class child can work hard and do well in high school but wont have the means to get a quality degree while children of the super rich dont have to worry about that at all even if they performed far worse in high school. Whats so great about that?
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Old 10-08-2016, 02:12 PM
 
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Y'know... there are children who don't really want to go to college, or want to go just to a tech college and get a certificate in a skill. Clinton's plan would help them, and is limited to state colleges. No private college or ivy league degrees for free. What is so terrible about investing in that?
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