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Old 10-10-2016, 11:28 AM
 
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Are some people actually scared of not having open borders and globalism?
No, but I'm not gonna sell my freedom for what is probably an empty promise.

Next time select another candidate with that agenda but that doesn't have a past of screwing up little people(Trump University, Contractors, illegal polish immigrants), that is impulsive(Alicia Machado, Megyn Kelly) and who is incapable of even getting along with his own party let alone democrats. Oh yeah and please don't choose someone who wants to censor the press, send his opponents to jail and bomb the ... Out of some nation.

 
Old 10-10-2016, 11:30 AM
 
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Trump is already another Hitler. He just hasn't had the ability to go forward with his plans yet because he's not in power. Thank goodness he never will be.

He'd join forces with Russia in a matter of months if Trump won. Then gradually cut ties with all other allies. It would be Trump & Putin against the world.
 
Old 10-10-2016, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Trump is already another Hitler. He just hasn't had the ability to go forward with his plans yet because he's not in power. Thank goodness he never will be.

He'd join forces with Russia in a matter of months of Trump won. Then gradually cut ties with all other allies. It would be Trump & Putin against the world.
Yeah he wants us to have less alliances and wants to give nukes to those countries as a substitute. What could possibly go wrong?
 
Old 10-10-2016, 11:43 AM
 
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Is that how you see the pre-NAFTA era?
The pre-NAFTA era is impossible today.

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Immigration wise do you like what is happening in Sweden, France and Germany? And in the US the sneaky way Syrian refugees are being brought in, the city leaders and citizens being unaware?
This is a false alternative. Haphazard and sudden admission of millions of desperate people, is not the immediate alternative to Trumpist xenophobia. It is not the case, that we either ban all guns, or arm Joe Public with cruise-missiles. It is not the case, that we either abolish the EPA and all environmental regulations, or ban internal combustion engines. It is not the case, that repudiation of Trumpism implies having every man, woman and child in Aleppo stepping through Terminal 5 of O'Hare.

Trump most reminds me of 15th century China, which decided that foreigners were barbarians and foreign lands where barbarous, and that therefore, trade and exploration are foolish and corrosive. China – the world's leaving naval power in 1430 – was by 1500 eclipsed.

The ultimate price of Trumpism is that his policies, if enacted, would turn America precisely into the desperate basket-case against which he inveighs.
 
Old 10-10-2016, 11:51 AM
 
Location: CT
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But people don't seem to want to see this. Many are still hanging onto this thin thread of wanting change from Washington politics, and that's the offering they see from Trump. I saw that first, but am not naive enough not to look behind the cover.
You're missing the point, Hitler exploited the discontent in the plight of the average German who saw too many years of a humbled economy to the depression of the late 1920's. He promised to improve their situation through nationalism, and attacking the Jews who had been unpopular to national Germans for over a century. How does that history sound so different than today?
 
Old 10-10-2016, 12:16 PM
 
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You're missing the point, Hitler exploited the discontent in the plight of the average German who saw too many years of a humbled economy to the depression of the late 1920's. He promised to improve their situation through nationalism, and attacking the Jews who had been unpopular to national Germans for over a century. How does that history sound so different than today?
It went deeper. Germany unified only in 1871, centuries behind the empires of England, France and Russia. It was late to don the maturity of nation-state self-awareness. Just as it started to assert an international prominence that it regarded as its birthright, its ambitious were resoundingly thwarted, first in a colonial scramble that left it outmaneuvered, and then in armed conflict. Germany, the nation of Guttenberg and Duerer, Goethe and Schiller, Leibniz and Kant, the nation of preeminent composers and physicist and poets, lay prostrate – diminished, deprived of its inherent greatness. Feckless and conniving politicians all tried their best, and failed. Then came a new man, untainted by ruinous treaties or failed politics… a new man, who promised a vigorous new nation, unapologetic and unencumbered by the obsolete and petty decency of stultified decorum. Who could resist? Who could settle for mere continuation of the status quo, the hand-wringing and excuses and prevarications, the small solutions half-implemented and unceremoniously withdrawn? Here came a man assured of destiny, captivating the national ardor! How to solve our problems? How indeed… by clearing out the rot, by unmasking the nefarious hidden parasites, by returning the Nation to the People! Grand, isn't it? And who could oppose it, save for the cunning little lever-pullers, their minions and their dupes? Who could possibly oppose, One People, One Land, One Leader?
 
Old 10-10-2016, 12:24 PM
 
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The only one advocating for genocide in this election is Hillary with her desire to put/keep abortion clinics in black neighborhoods. Don't believe that PPP is doing exactly like that? Check the list of where their abortion clinics are, I have. Trump is talking about ending poverty with jobs and Hillary with killing off the poor before they get a chance.

It is just silly to say that Trump is like Hitler. This has been discussed so many times and is nonsense. In these last desperate days, we'll see Hillary's supporters in a frenzy.

"Hillary's America" comes out on DVD, tomorrow, 11 Oct. I'll be out early getting my copy. Hillary is the most evil person ever in our country with the exception of some who have went to prison like she should have or the hospital for the mentally insane.

Anyone who compares Trump to Hitler had to have failed World History and insults the very people that were victims of Hitler. Of course, who hasn't been insulted at this point by Hillary, her campaign and her supporters?
 
Old 10-10-2016, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Hollywood, CA
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I'm not a fan of Trump's buffoonish attitude and vulgarity. But he's not a facist. He's a nationalist populist similar to the right wing movements in Europe like Nigel Farage's Brexit, Marine Le Pen, Geert Wilders etc. It's a reaction to globalism and open borders supported by Obama, Clinton, and the EU.

And some of the comments I see above sound ridiculous if Trump does win. He'd have no support in congress for any of his policies as both the GOP and Democratic party don't respect and despise him. And he'd be very likely to be impeached. It won't be like Nazi Germany in the 30's.
 
Old 10-10-2016, 01:27 PM
 
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I'm not a fan of Trump's buffoonish attitude and vulgarity. But he's not a facist. He's a nationalist populist similar to the right wing movements in Europe like Nigel Farage's Brexit, Marine Le Pen, Geert Wilders etc. It's a reaction to globalism and open borders supported by Obama, Clinton, and the EU.

And some of the comments I see above sound ridiculous if Trump does win. He'd have no support in congress for any of his policies as both the GOP and Democratic party don't respect and despise him. And he'd be very likely to be impeached. It won't be like Nazi Germany in the 30's.
Are those European pols advocating for shutting down media outlets that print critical stories or jailing their political opponents? Because that's the kind of authoritarian ambitions that resemble fascism.
 
Old 10-10-2016, 01:28 PM
 
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He will if people like you push that attitude.
No, he will win if former Bernie supporters vote for Johnson or Stein.

Mick
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