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Old 11-11-2016, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Originally Posted by Ziggy100 View Post
God this thread is just a broken record. Just read the last 500 post for a reason to put this thread out of its misery.
I was just thinking the same thing!

 
Old 11-11-2016, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Just outside of Portland
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Well, I think you should stop wasting your time on a little known City Data forum and get out there and help that grass roots secession movement get the issue on the ballot.

Then you can go to work getting the population of California to vote for it.

Then you can get to work on the House and the Senate, and then you can convince those 38 states to go along with you just for good measure.

Gonna take a lot of hard work, and a lot of money, and a lot of time.
Blathering about it on this forum non-stop ain't gonna get you one step closer.

But I guess the attention of being a 10 minute City Data superstar is addicting, and the chance to dream about a total fantasy coming true is a lot easier than the real thing.

Good Luck!
 
Old 11-11-2016, 06:08 PM
 
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
Thus far Ive gotten only bs replies void of any real substance and reasons for us to stay.
One first has to be willing to listen to real argument.

The very legislators that you quoted have said that California depends upon Federal Funding and support from the USA to protect it's trade. They clearly state that California will be part of the USA's future.

It proves that every argument you made are nothing more than nonsense as California isn't going anywhere.
 
Old 11-11-2016, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Originally Posted by pdxMIKEpdx View Post
Well, I think you should stop wasting your time on a little known City Data forum and get out there and help that grass roots secession movement get the issue on the ballot.

Then you can convince those 38 states to go along with you.

Gonna take a lot of work, and a lot of money.
Blathering about it on this forum ain't gonna get you one step closer.
Yep. That's the answer. These secession folks should let us know how that goes because I'm sure it will be warmly received by your fellow Californians.
 
Old 11-11-2016, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
A California state legislator wrote a sentiment most of us shared on the morning after the election: “Today, we woke up feeling like strangers in a foreign land.”

The 2 avenues for legal secession both require the agreement of 38 states:

Scenario 1:
A member of the California federal delegation to Washington would propose an Amendment to the US Constitution allowing the State of California to withdraw from the Union. The Amendment would have to be approved by 2/3 of the House of Representatives and 2/3 of the Senate. If the Amendment passed it would be sent to the fifty state legislatures to be considered (to satisfy the 'consent of the states' requirement in Texas v. White). It would need to be accepted by at least 38 of the 50 state legislatures to be adopted."

Scenario 2:
California could call for a convention of the states (which is currently being organized to tackle other constitutional amendments as we speak) and the Amendment granting California its independence would have to be approved by 2/3 of the delegates to this convention. If it passed, the Amendment would be sent to the fifty state legislatures to be considered and 38 of the 50 states would have to approve the measure in order for it to be adopted."

We need 38/50

Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming
If I had to guess the firm yes votes that would let CA secede, Id guess the following:

Alabama Y
Alaska Y
Arizona Y
Arkansas Y
California Y
Colorado Y
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Georgia Y
Hawaii
Idaho Y
Illinois
Indiana Y
Iowa Y
Kansas Y
Kentucky Y
Louisiana Y
Maine Y
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi Y
Missouri Y
Montana Y
Nebraska Y
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina Y
North Dakota Y
Ohio Y
Oklahoma Y
Oregon Y
Pennsylvania Y
Rhode Island
South Carolina Y
South Dakota Y
Tennessee Y
Texas Y
Utah Y
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
West Virginia Y
Wisconsin Y
Wyoming Y

I consider the 32 states I selected to be firm. We would need 6 more.

Any thoughts?
 
Old 11-11-2016, 06:13 PM
 
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
This fake claim written in a right wing newspaper has already been squarely debunked in this thread.

FYI.
I suggest that you do some googling. There are many links that say that 1/3 of the nation's welfare recipients live in CA.
 
Old 11-11-2016, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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I suggest that you do some googling. There are many links that say that 1/3 of the nation's welfare recipients live in CA.
Been there, done that-and it's all sensationalized exaggerations that are reposted and originate back to a right wing rag.

There is no govt statistic that substantiates this claim, because it's false.
 
Old 11-11-2016, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
Been there, done that-and it's all sensationalized exaggerations that are reposted and originate back to a right wing rag.

There is no govt statistic that substantiates this claim, because it's false.
Seriously, like others have said, you're wasting time on this forum. If you're so sure other Californians are in support of secession, get to it.
 
Old 11-11-2016, 06:22 PM
 
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
If I had to guess the firm yes votes that would let CA secede, Id guess the following:

Alabama Y
Alaska Y
Arizona Y
Arkansas Y
California Y
Colorado Y
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Georgia Y
Hawaii
Idaho Y
Illinois
Indiana Y
Iowa Y
Kansas Y
Kentucky Y
Louisiana Y
Maine Y
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi Y
Missouri Y
Montana Y
Nebraska Y
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina Y
North Dakota Y
Ohio Y
Oklahoma Y
Oregon Y
Pennsylvania Y
Rhode Island
South Carolina Y
South Dakota Y
Tennessee Y
Texas Y
Utah Y
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
West Virginia Y
Wisconsin Y
Wyoming Y

I consider the 32 states I selected to be firm. We would need 6 more.

Any thoughts?
You wouldn't even get enough votes in CA much less the rest of them. The Northeast defiantly doesn't want CA to bail, as they'd never win an election again without CA's 58 votes.
 
Old 11-11-2016, 06:23 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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Originally Posted by BajanYankee View Post
What stuff would they give back? California puts more money into the U.S. Treasury than it takes out. It's little states like Kansas and Montana that would be worse off without federal assistance because there are hardly any high paying jobs there.
They wouldn't "give" anything back, the United States would retain all military assets and anything else owned by the federal government.
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