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Trump easily won North Carolina. His rallies here were huge and there were yard signs everywhere.
And remember this is in a state that also voted out an incumbent GOP governor.
Trump got far more votes than Romney, yet Hillary didn't even match Obama. Furthermore she won far fewer counties than Obama.
You analysis fails on that account.
It was the huge voter interest in Trump that won him the election. And it was the disdain for Hillary Clinton that cost it for her. The rally sizes prove this out.
How are you proving that everyone who attended a Trump rally also voted, and those at the rally voted for Trump?
NJGoat, I think you're wrong. It wasn't that Donald Trump's supporters had so much more enthusiasm, but rather that Hillary Clinton's supporters had so much less enthusiasm.
2004 - John Kerry / 59.0 million votes
2016 - Donald Trump / 59.7 million votes
2016 - Hillary Clinton / 59.9 million votes
2012 - Mitt Romney / 60.9 million votes
2008 - John McCain / 59.9 million votes
2004 - George W Bush / 62.0 million votes
2012 - Barack Obama / 65.9 million votes
2008 - Barack Obama / 69.5 million votes
Donald Trump actually was outperformed handily by both Republican and Democratic presidential candidates going back to 2008 and George W Bush received more votes in the 2004 election than Trump did.
IMO, it wasn't Trump voter enthusiasm as much as it was Clinton voter malaise.
This ^^^, There was a point where they were saying that Trump's support was not going to be able to grow. I knew this wouldn't matter because Hillary had already sprung a leak in her support.
The crowd size were impressive although it was more related to the "movement" than the candidate.
Hillary only movement was taken care of by her adult diaper.
They were screwing around with the polls in order to make it look like Hillary had a chance as I suspected they had specific plans on committing voter fraud and needed it to look like she actually had support, invisible support. She couldn't even win by cheating, makes a double loser.
The Democrats messing over Sanders gave the party a big negative hit.
The support for Hillary drip, drip, dripped away. "Reaping what she had sown."
I knew if Trump could just hold his own that he should win, IF Hillary didn't cheat.
Trump easily won North Carolina. His rallies here were huge and there were yard signs everywhere.
And remember this is in a state that also voted out an incumbent GOP governor.
Trump got far more votes than Romney, yet Hillary didn't even match Obama. Furthermore she won far fewer counties than Obama.
You analysis fails on that account.
It was the huge voter interest in Trump that won him the election. And it was the disdain for Hillary Clinton that cost it for her. The rally sizes prove this out.
North Carolina played as much of a part in Trump's victory as Texas, Alabama, or Mississippi - which is to say, necessary, but not the tipping point.
Trump loses if he fails to take one of the three industrial states that he won - Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania. That's why I focused on numbers from those states. Numbers that you ignore.
Frankly, you're not providing any critique of my analysis, but simply trying to shout down my opinion - bigly.
Want to prove me wrong? Quit counting yard signs in North Carolina - show me where I'm wrong in the facts that I posted about the voting in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.
NJGoat, I think you're wrong. It wasn't that Donald Trump's supporters had so much more enthusiasm, but rather that Hillary Clinton's supporters had so much less enthusiasm.
2004 - John Kerry / 59.0 million votes
2016 - Donald Trump / 59.7 million votes
2016 - Hillary Clinton / 59.9 million votes
2012 - Mitt Romney / 60.9 million votes
2008 - John McCain / 59.9 million votes
2004 - George W Bush / 62.0 million votes
2012 - Barack Obama / 65.9 million votes
2008 - Barack Obama / 69.5 million votes
Donald Trump actually was outperformed handily by both Republican and Democratic presidential candidates going back to 2008 and George W Bush received more votes in the 2004 election than Trump did.
IMO, it wasn't Trump voter enthusiasm as much as it was Clinton voter malaise.
Agreed...it's hard to approve someone so despised by so many that they actually wanted Trump over her. Heck, the avowed Socialist even gave her a run for the money. How bad must you be to garner millions, have the President, Jay-Z, Bruce Springsteen, Katy Perry, Hollywood, Soros, and millions of other poorly aimed souls pour millions and millions into her campaign, have her cheat an avowed socialist out of a real run, take questions from Brazile prior to debates (cheating) and lie about it (other half to cheating...runs in the family), lie on-stage at two debates (Lincoln and open borders for energy), smugly answer the question about wiping the server "you mean with a rag", get caught over and over and over and over again about lying through WikiLeaks and HER EMAILS, Clinton Foundation....etc...etc..
I mean, even the Milennials and other liberals can only take so much and even then, 59,000,000 plus of them voted for her.....and she still lost....
As much as she went after Nixon one has to wonder if he doesn't look sophomoric compared to her antics.....she needs to go.....to jail. No one above the law. Not even a Clinton......
Question, what happens to all that money she raised and never spent?
And yet, with all of those Trump yard signs in Colorado, Clinton WON Colorado by a 3% margin.
This argues against the Trump Enthusiasm Hypothesis.
** just took a quick look at the Colorado numbers, both Clinton and Trump underperformed Obama and Romney, while Johnson and Stein roughly tripled their vote totals.
Well I still voted Republican every time, especially this time.
That's all that matters to me. I also love living in a pro-conservative area.
I'll try this one last time...if Trump voter enthusiasm was all there was to it, then Trump would have received more votes that either McCain or Romney...or Hillary Clinton, for that matter.
Give Trump's campaign credit. At the end of the October, they detected Clinton's weakness in the industrial Midwest and managed to thread the needle there for a win.
Um, he's already beaten McCain's totals and could very well surpass Romney's vote totals once all votes are counted. You were saying?
Um, he's already beaten McCain's totals and could very well surpass Romney's vote totals once all votes are counted. You were saying?
That's a very good point, they were still counting votes when I originally posted those numbers.
Updating the totals as of today, according to Google...
2004 - John Kerry / 59.0 million votes
2008 - John McCain / 59.9 million votes
2016 - Donald Trump / 60.4 million votes
2012 - Mitt Romney / 60.9 million votes
2016 - Hillary Clinton / 61.0 million votes
2004 - George W Bush / 62.0 million votes
2012 - Barack Obama / 65.9 million votes
2008 - Barack Obama / 69.5 million votes
Donald Trump has edged past John McCain's vote total from eight years ago, but he'll need about another 500,000 votes to catch up to Mitt Romney. Do you think that there's still a half a million Trump votes left uncounted?
I still stand with what I posted in #22 of this thread. In the three states that mattered (WI, MI, and PA), it wasn't Trump enthusiasm but Clinton ennui that swung the election to Donald Trump. If it was Trump enthusiasm, then why did Gary Johnson and Jill Stein both put up much larger numbers in the industrial states than in the previous election?
I haven't crunched the latest numbers for those three states, but Trump's lead in Wisconsin has stayed constant while his leads in Michigan and Pennsylvania have actually shrunk.
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There was a point where they were saying that Trump's support was not going to be able to grow. I knew this wouldn't matter because Hillary had already sprung a leak in her support.
She couldn't even win by cheating, makes a double loser.
