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Old 11-13-2016, 05:51 AM
 
Location: CT
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Voter turnout has historically been ~50%- 60% for at least the past 75 years, Hillary had no advantage nor disadvantage. Nothing went "wrong" with our system of election, the people voted, the electoral votes will be cast, and Trump won. If the people who chose not to participate in our system of government don't like the direction the new president plans to take us in, then it's time for them to get off the sidelines and get into the game. Apathy is not a strategy.
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Old 11-13-2016, 06:22 AM
 
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I'm still trying to figure out why Republicans and Democrats keep re-voting the swamp creatures on Capitol Hill back into office.

Because losing their long time Congressman bringing home the bacon is a big deal, they just want to get rid other corrupt politicians. Kanjorski who represented the area I live in for decades had no problem getting reelected even after it was exposed he steered millions in federal grants to a bankrupt company run by his relatives. It was right out in the open .... He still won becsue he was able to steer a lot of funding into the area.... It wasn't until the 2010 massacre he was ousted and then only by a thin margin.

This is one reason we need term limits.
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Old 11-13-2016, 06:55 AM
 
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Thread after thread and plastered in the media how a president is elected when he/she doesn't win the popular vote.

I point my finger at the 42% of the people who didn't vote. Even if 10% had legitimate medical or other reasons where it made it impossible to vote, shame on the rest. How can you truly know how this country feels without counting the views of the non voters (who should have voted)? Statistics are only on the 58% who did vote.

It's a shame IMO not voting. I don't buy the "my vote doesn't count" theory because you might live in the wrong colored state. I for one in MA am in an entirely blue state and it was known Hillary would win big here, and she did. Would all of the states played out the same if the rest of the eligible voters bothered to show up? WOuld the rust belt states have flipped if everyone voted? We'll never know, and thus is the plight of the outcome of an election.
For many months I said I would not vote on election day but my young daughter asked me to go through the voting process (and then asked me to vote for Clinton).

I voted for Clinton but I am not running around scared about a Trump presidency or blaming everyone but the democrats for Clinton's loss.

I am not ashamed that I did not want to vote. However, the fact that I voted only because my daughter asked me to let me know that the Clinton campaign was in trouble.
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Old 11-13-2016, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa!
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There is also the gerrymandering, i.e., redistricting Republicans have favored so much, and that has given the Congress so many GOP members. When that goes away in 2023, things will most likely be massively different.
I would like to see gerrymandering gone, too, because, believe it or not, the Democrats do it just as much as the republicans. Look for a map of some of the districts in Maryland, if you don't believe me.
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Old 11-13-2016, 07:11 AM
 
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Do I think it's un-American not to vote? Yes. Do I think voting is the founding fathers idea of letting the people's voice be heard? Yes. Do I believe it's your right not to vote? Yes.

Statistically the president is chosen on a 60%+/- sample size of eligible voters. We can only assume that state by state, the non voters would continue the same trends state by state. That's a large sample size of if. Clinton may garnish the popular vote by a substantial margin, but her potential voters may have been too lazy to vote or were tired of this election and may have prevented the rust belt from flipping, and we'd have a different result.
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Old 11-13-2016, 07:24 AM
 
Location: NE Atlanta Metro
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General election days are the most important days in America. They need to be made national holidays for both presidential and mid-term elections. Or, here's an idea, why not make it a weekend event. Hold elections on Saturday and Sunday with results Monday.

I'm a genious for thinking of this!
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Old 11-13-2016, 07:31 AM
 
Location: CT
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Do I think it's un-American not to vote? Yes. Do I think voting is the founding fathers idea of letting the people's voice be heard? Yes. Do I believe it's your right not to vote? Yes.

Statistically the president is chosen on a 60%+/- sample size of eligible voters. We can only assume that state by state, the non voters would continue the same trends state by state. That's a large sample size of if. Clinton may garnish the popular vote by a substantial margin, but her potential voters may have been too lazy to vote or were tired of this election and may have prevented the rust belt from flipping, and we'd have a different result.
Trump seems to have been able to get his supporters to the poles to tip them in his favor. His campaign assumed nothing and kept the pressure on her, Hillary's campaign was overconfident and assumed the polls and pols had already predicted a win for her. Although I did not vote for Trump, nor Hillary, I am glad to see that the political machine has been shaken to it's core. We are not the predictable lemmings we were assumed to be.
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Old 11-13-2016, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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She underperformed in the African American community because a good portion of younger African Americans decided not to vote this time for a good reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEH1_tq_8Zg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t4AQEjW3kE
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Old 11-13-2016, 08:15 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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And if a Democrat found a magic lamp on the beach on November 8, Hillary Clinton might have won.

I'm still trying to figure out why Republicans and Democrats keep re-voting the swamp creatures on Capitol Hill back into office.
I can easily give you one example of why - Mitch McConnell is the weaselist of weasels but Kentucky will keep voting him in because, hicks though they may be, they understand that as a small state with only one, or maybe if you stretch the definition, two metro areas the only reason they get any federal attention at all is because that weasel has a lot of power in congress. By the way, Rand Paul is going nowhere in the near future either, although he is genuinely very popular in the state right now, that same reasoning will apply if he starts to slip for the same reason as McConnell.
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Old 11-13-2016, 08:20 AM
 
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Thread after thread and plastered in the media how a president is elected when he/she doesn't win the popular vote.

I point my finger at the 42% of the people who didn't vote. Even if 10% had legitimate medical or other reasons where it made it impossible to vote, shame on the rest. How can you truly know how this country feels without counting the views of the non voters (who should have voted)? Statistics are only on the 58% who did vote.

It's a shame IMO not voting. I don't buy the "my vote doesn't count" theory because you might live in the wrong colored state. I for one in MA am in an entirely blue state and it was known Hillary would win big here, and she did. Would all of the states played out the same if the rest of the eligible voters bothered to show up? WOuld the rust belt states have flipped if everyone voted? We'll never know, and thus is the plight of the outcome of an election.
Do something about it.

Some countries require everyone to vote that meets age etc. requirements.
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