Arnold Schwarzenegger? Trump may be the best thing yet for liberals 4 years from now (voters, Congress)

[jkbatca]

Well, it's been a couple of weeks, and already Trump is showing signs of changing direction. Hmmm, haven't we've seen this before?

Californians have, his name is Arnold Schwarzenegger. He ran, and won, as a popular Republican candidate with very conservative views. But as time went on, he became more and more progressive, constantly shifting his views to the liberal side and cutting deals with the Democrats. This pretty much demoralized and destroyed all conservative hopes and ideals in California, and Arnold left with a 23% approval rating. This left California now as a super-majority Democratic party run state as most conservatives gave up and or left the state. Look at it now, even Orange County voted for Hillary this time!

So if Trump turns into a Schwarzenegger, and the Democratic party idiots:

1) do not blindly follow or choose a corrupt Democratic party upper management like Debbie Wasserman Schultz or Donna Brazile
2) pick a reasonable candidate 2020 time (man or woman), without the corrupt baggage stench of the last candidate
3) The City Data posters do not look on potential voters with contempt like they did with Bernie supporters

Then the Democrats will have a pretty good shot at 2020.

[phma]

Originally Posted by jkbatca

Well, it's been a couple of weeks, and already Trump is showing signs of changing direction. Hmmm, haven't we've seen this before?

Californians have, his name is Arnold Schwarzenegger. He ran, and won, as a popular Republican candidate with very conservative views. But as time went on, he became more and more progressive, constantly shifting his views to the liberal side and cutting deals with the Democrats. This pretty much demoralized and destroyed all conservative hopes and ideals in California, and Arnold left with a 23% approval rating. This left California now as a super-majority Democratic party run state as most conservatives gave up and or left the state. Look at it now, even Orange County voted for Hillary this time!

So if Trump turns into a Schwarzenegger, and the Democratic party idiots:

1) do not blindly follow or choose a corrupt Democratic party upper management like Debbie Wasserman Schultz or Donna Brazile
2) pick a reasonable candidate 2020 time (man or woman), without the corrupt baggage stench of the last candidate
3) The City Data posters do not look on potential voters with contempt like they did with Bernie supporters

Then the Democrats will have a pretty good shot at 2020.

"If"

If its and buts were candy and nuts we would all have Christmas. And so we will soon.

Trump is president not the king you want him to be.

There are a number of players in the spotlight of power. Raince, Ryan, McConnell, etc...........long list.

Democrats will have a pretty good shot if they go to the bar and order one to help drown their sorrows.

[Phil75230]

Originally Posted by jkbatca

Well, it's been a couple of weeks, and already Trump is showing signs of changing direction. Hmmm, haven't we've seen this before?

Californians have, his name is Arnold Schwarzenegger. He ran, and won, as a popular Republican candidate with very conservative views. But as time went on, he became more and more progressive, constantly shifting his views to the liberal side and cutting deals with the Democrats. This pretty much demoralized and destroyed all conservative hopes and ideals in California, and Arnold left with a 23% approval rating. This left California now as a super-majority Democratic party run state as most conservatives gave up and or left the state. Look at it now, even Orange County voted for Hillary this time! (emphasis mine)

Presidents often backtrack on certain things once in office, but IMO, the primary debates is where their real soul* shows. They only have to appeal to loyal party voters, and perhaps independents in 'crossover voting' states. In the general election, they have to either go for a big tent strategy or appeal to their base. If the latter, they have to dilute or hide their actual policy preferences.

Comparison to OC: Even Texas had only a 11pt Trump-Clinton gap (to the nearest full point), compared to a 16 pt gap in 2012 and a 12 pt in 2008, when McCain couldn't even grab Indiana and North Carolina (though in fairness, this was essentially a referendum on Bush, Jr's presidency). Yet Trump was only 11 ahead in Texas when Clinton couldn't even hold the once reliably democratic industrial belt states? Sounds like Texas may be purple by 2028 and certainly by 2040.

So if Trump turns into a Schwarzenegger, and the Democratic party idiots:

1) do not blindly follow or choose a corrupt Democratic party upper management like Debbie Wasserman Schultz or Donna Brazile
2) pick a reasonable candidate 2020 time (man or woman), without the corrupt baggage stench of the last candidate
3) The City Data posters do not look on potential voters with contempt like they did with Bernie supporters

Then the Democrats will have a pretty good shot at 2020.

I'm with you on 1 and 2. The Nevada Dem Primary especially got really ugly due to some method of vote-counting biased in Hillary's favor. The best way (for any party, btw) to not fall to this is to have frequent turnovers in the party leadership, so this good ole' boy (and in this case, "gal") network doesn't slant the process in favor of one candidate or another

Pt 2. Already addressed. Hopefully, a younger candidate (preferably, but if not, maybe Elizabeth Warren or even Bernie if necessary) will play Joshua to Bernie's Moses. Don't be surprised if there's a big shakeup after the 2018 mid-terms.

I'm unclear as to what point 3 actually means, but I take it to mean "The City Data voters who were for Clinton from the start don't look at potential undecideds with contempt like they did with Bernie supporters". If that's what you mean, I certainly agree. I definitely voted for Bernie in the Dem Primary, and was pissed off at the Clinton supporters who implied "If you're not with Clinton, you're sexist, misogynist, etc".

[jwiley]

Wow we have some liberals screaming that Trump is appointing hard right people to his transition team, and then others saying he is going to be just like Arnold and saying it will be the demise of the Republican party. why don't we wait for a few months and see what he is going to do.

[phma]

Originally Posted by jwiley

Wow we have some liberals screaming that Trump is appointing hard right people to his transition team, and then others saying he is going to be just like Arnold and saying it will be the demise of the Republican party. why don't we wait for a few months and see what he is going to do.

Because yours is the voice of reason and that has to be shouted down with fearmongering.

You will be shunned and demonized and deplorable and irredeemable, anti- American and.......................racist. Oh yeah, I almost forgot that one. Shame on me.

[juneaubound]

Originally Posted by jwiley

Wow we have some liberals screaming that Trump is appointing hard right people to his transition team, and then others saying he is going to be just like Arnold and saying it will be the demise of the Republican party. why don't we wait for a few months and see what he is going to do.

Dude won the election six (that would be 6) days ago and I still can't stand to spend too much time in this crazy house called C-D. The excuses, the sky-is-falling rhetoric, the Donald hate, the Trump supporter hate, and ALL of the tedious (and yet creative) ways liberals on this board have found to make themselves feel better about their loss, and hopeful for their liberal-president-electing future. People are insane right now and spending too much time on the second floor of this crazy-ward is a useless exercise.

[Taiko]

This is the argument that the celebrities of So Cal political talk radio have been having since President Elect Trump won the Republican nomination. The never Trump side was we will be bamboozled and taken in the end. While on the other we must support him side was if Secretary Clinton was able to fill the Supreme Court everything would have been lost forever and Congress can control a President Trump. Where Governor Schwarzenegger never had legislative support

[NewbieHere]

I'm glad we moved pass the Clinton won the popular vote.

[OotsaPootsa]

Isn't Arnold an immigrant who took jobs an American could have done?

Lock him up!