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Old 11-21-2016, 07:18 AM
 
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The problem is Supply and Demand of college degrees. In the 1980s few had any bachelor's degree and therefore college grads with even a basic degree could get a great job. Now around 40% of young people have a 2 or 4 year degree and employers can select only people with the most skilled driven degrees. I made the mistake of going $50k into debt for an 'unskilled degree' and have not been able to make more than $15 an hour with little upside for making more... ever. This hurts tax payers as well because every year I get a $2500 tax deduction for my student loan interest yet I am not a high skilled worker. Society pays a price when we pay for people to get worthless degrees.


The biggest thing that would help is making a high school degree worth something again so that only the top 75% of students can even get one. It is dumbed down to the point of being a 4 year attendance certificate (another participation trophy). If a HS diploma meant something that would prevent low level workers from needing a 2 year degree and more advanced from needing a 4 year degree, etc.
That's a different issue, one on which I agree with Mike Rowe.
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Old 11-21-2016, 10:06 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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And yet, the government has gives more in outright grants than all the public colleges in the US collect in tuition.
Tuition isn't the only cost of attendance, and frequently is less costly than the other related expenses combined. My niece has a BS in Engineering. Her textbooks cost about $1,500 per semester. The textbook publishing racket has skyrocketed prices because government money for college is just too easy to get. Same thing happened with the mortgage industry and housing, but few pay attention to what's going on and fewer still learn any lesson from it.

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That's a different issue, one on which I agree with Mike Rowe.
Trade schools still cost. And their prices have increased, as well. Furthermore, why bury oneself in debt for trade school when one of the liberals' favorite identity groups, illegals, are right there to take your job and undercut your wages by 50% or more?
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Old 11-21-2016, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Actually, FDR was the American Hitler.
In 1933, FDR declared a State of Emergency to bypass the constitution, confiscated all privately owned gold money, gave worthless notes in exchange, criminalized the possession of gold by "free" Americans, and instituted national socialism (via FICA). To enforce that abomination, we now have a benevolent totalitarian police state, complete with masked anonymous 'storm troopers' who demand our 'papers' (government approved IDs), engage in dynamic entry (and throwing grenades into baby cribs), and a tax system so convoluted and corrupt that it boggles the mind... not to forget the burden of rules and regulations that impede business and labor.

Yet he's deified by the left wing.
Go figure.
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Old 11-21-2016, 01:53 PM
 
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Tuition isn't the only cost of attendance, and frequently is less costly than the other related expenses combined. My niece has a BS in Engineering. Her textbooks cost about $1,500 per semester. The textbook publishing racket has skyrocketed prices because government money for college is just too easy to get. Same thing happened with the mortgage industry and housing, but few pay attention to what's going on and fewer still learn any lesson from it.

Trade schools still cost. And their prices have increased, as well. Furthermore, why bury oneself in debt for trade school when one of the liberals' favorite identity groups, illegals, are right there to take your job and undercut your wages by 50% or more?
You seem to consider all training and education futile.
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Old 11-21-2016, 02:09 PM
 
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You seem to consider all training and education futile.
Not true at all. I merely consider overspending on education, and choosing an unmarketable major on top of that, to be quite foolish.
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Old 11-21-2016, 04:39 PM
 
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Not true at all. I merely consider overspending on education, and choosing an unmarketable major on top of that, to be quite foolish.
I haven't been talking about overspending or choosing an unmarketable major. That's a subject for a different thread.
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Old 11-21-2016, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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I think the reason young people did not see the threats posed by Donald Trump is that they were not there in the 30's and 40's to see the parallels between how Hitler came to power and how Trump is moving ahead in a similar fashion. We older people DO remember Hitler, and how he was viewed as a clown, but how he ended up controlling the whole country.

I urge anyone, who has an open mind, to get a cup of coffee and sit and watch the following video. Not saying you have to buy what it is saying, but just watch it and listen. I get chills when I see the similarities between that time in history, and today.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgzZNqZ6ao4
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Old 11-21-2016, 08:01 PM
 
Location: California
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Nobody is going to be "the next Hitler" in today's USA. I'm not saying horrible things can't happen, but they won't be what you expect. Personally I think younger people have heard TOO MUCH about Hitler and Nazi's in that everyone that leans conservative and doesn't have a progressive agenda has been painted that way for as long as they have been politically aware. Everyone is Hitler. Everyone is a Nazi. Those words are used all the time.
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Old 11-22-2016, 01:54 AM
 
Location: London
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Good question.

I have zero sympathy for their crying now -- they didn't vote, why didn't they care so much then?

Laws require employers allowing people to vote, there are absentee ballots, early voting, etc. No excuses.

If they really couldn't cope with voting for Hillary (and I don't blame them -- she certainly was not the one I voted for), vote third party or write someone in! ****ing do something.
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Old 11-22-2016, 02:31 AM
 
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Bernie would not have gotten as many votes as Hillary. You guys are kidding yourselves. His message does not resonate with people who have a stock portfolio, or any real knowledge of the economy. Plus, Bernie is a nice guy, but the dude never persuaded anyone to vote for his issues. I think Trump does have a shot at getting better trade deals, but not Bernie. Besides, he would have had even less of a turnout of black voters than Hillary.
I dont think the black count would have been that low for Bernie. He was talking to the same voters as Trump was, many without "stock portfolios." Had he won the primary, he would have beaten Trump since they were closer on some issues than Hillary was with either of them. He lost the primary because many people who voted for her thought they were playing it safe to run her against clown Trump so they used poor logic and made Hillary the winner of the primary. ("Bernie's too old, He's too out there, he will never win.") Had Hillary lost the primary, Bernie would have beaten Trump. Bernie was smart, knowledgeable, politically experienced, a gentleman, sincere and he spoke to the majority working class and youth. Compare that to a totally unpresidential tweeting thin-skinned vulgarian self-made caricature. Hillary was a snob, an elitist, scripted, coached and people could see her indifference to the general populace.
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