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I dont think the black count would have been that low for Bernie. He was talking to the same voters as Trump was, many without "stock portfolios." Had he won the primary, he would have beaten Trump since they were closer on some issues than Hillary was with either of them. He lost the primary because many people who voted for her thought they were playing it safe to run her against clown Trump so they used poor logic and made Hillary the winner of the primary. ("Bernie's too old, He's too out there, he will never win.") Had Hillary lost the primary, Bernie would have beaten Trump. Bernie was smart, knowledgeable, politically experienced, a gentleman, sincere and he spoke to the majority working class and youth. Compare that to a totally unpresidential tweeting thin-skinned vulgarian self-made caricature. Hillary was a snob, an elitist, scripted, coached and people could see her indifference to the general populace.
Unfortunately, the DNC had already chosen Clinton, and I'm going to say it was all a feminist deal start to finish.
Older black voters thought for some reason we owed Clinton (I'm an older black voter, and I can't figure that one out...it's not like Bill actually did anything particularly for black people, and Hillary certainly never did). Yet, Sanders had always been the one out in the streets with us since the 60s.
I think had Sanders started campaigning earlier, particularly in the South, it might have made a difference to get his message out that the real identity politics for black people needed to be about economics.
The problem is Supply and Demand of college degrees. In the 1980s few had any bachelor's degree and therefore college grads with even a basic degree could get a great job. Now around 40% of young people have a 2 or 4 year degree and employers can select only people with the most skilled driven degrees. I made the mistake of going $50k into debt for an 'unskilled degree' and have not been able to make more than $15 an hour with little upside for making more... ever. This hurts tax payers as well because every year I get a $2500 tax deduction for my student loan interest yet I am not a high skilled worker. Society pays a price when we pay for people to get worthless degrees.
The biggest thing that would help is making a high school degree worth something again so that only the top 75% of students can even get one. It is dumbed down to the point of being a 4 year attendance certificate (another participation trophy). If a HS diploma meant something that would prevent low level workers from needing a 2 year degree and more advanced from needing a 4 year degree, etc.
What is your degree if you feel comfortable answering? Just curious as I have kids starting to think about college.
why did young voters mostly stay home even when the media was saying Trump was the next Hitler?
Because "the youth vote" is always a disappointment for anyone who expects them to turn out in big numbers.
That's been the case since forever. Youngsters are very self-absorbed and not so much involved with politics. They have lives, families, and careers to get started on. They just don't see elections as being that relevant to their concerns.
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What is your degree if you feel comfortable answering? Just curious as I have kids starting to think about college.
BA in Geography. I only had 6 hours of skill classes (both were GIS). There are some lucrative degrees in the geosciences field, a few years ago degrees related to finding oil, gas, or coal were great. Tuition cost a lot more now than it did 10 years ago, if your kids aren't going for engineering or being a doctor I'd be cautious. Tuition is to the point that it may not be worth it even for getting a $50k job right out of school.
Nobody is going to be "the next Hitler" in today's USA. I'm not saying horrible things can't happen, but they won't be what you expect. Personally I think younger people have heard TOO MUCH about Hitler and Nazi's in that everyone that leans conservative and doesn't have a progressive agenda has been painted that way for as long as they have been politically aware. Everyone is Hitler. Everyone is a Nazi. Those words are used all the time.
Yep, and when they can paint a nice guy like Mitt Romney as Hitler, it has lost all meaning.
The problem with the 'youth vote' is that they did not like Trump or Hillary. They are the ones who crushed Hillary in the 2008 primaries and in 2016 Bernie did much better among the youth. They simply chose not to make a choice between two flawed candidates.
I dont think the black count would have been that low for Bernie. He was talking to the same voters as Trump was, many without "stock portfolios." Had he won the primary, he would have beaten Trump since they were closer on some issues than Hillary was with either of them. He lost the primary because many people who voted for her thought they were playing it safe to run her against clown Trump so they used poor logic and made Hillary the winner of the primary. ("Bernie's too old, He's too out there, he will never win.") Had Hillary lost the primary, Bernie would have beaten Trump. Bernie was smart, knowledgeable, politically experienced, a gentleman, sincere and he spoke to the majority working class and youth. Compare that to a totally unpresidential tweeting thin-skinned vulgarian self-made caricature. Hillary was a snob, an elitist, scripted, coached and people could see her indifference to the general populace.
He may have won, but I have my doubts. There are a lot of Wall Street types who vote for Democrats, and they would probably not vote for Bernie. I don't think he could have counted on the black vote, and older people probably would not vote for a socialist. And if you think he would have got the blue collar workers in the Rust Belt running on ending all fossil fuel extraction, you're kidding yourself. Think about what that would do to manufacturing.
He didn't even have the guts to stick with his true feelings on immigration, which he knows drives down wages. Instead, he offered free college to illegals. His plan sounds good on the surface, but dig deeper and you start to see how it would hurt this country.
BA in Geography. I only had 6 hours of skill classes (both were GIS). There are some lucrative degrees in the geosciences field, a few years ago degrees related to finding oil, gas, or coal were great. Tuition cost a lot more now than it did 10 years ago, if your kids aren't going for engineering or being a doctor I'd be cautious. Tuition is to the point that it may not be worth it even for getting a $50k job right out of school.
My cousin has a geography degree. Now he's a creative writing professor. Living in the energy capital, I've always seen the oil and gas industry as a boom and bust field. College is too expensive, but seems to be necessary these days. People without degrees cannot compete in this job market. It sucks, but what are you going to do?
Apathy? Ignorance? Naivete? Laziness? All kinds of reasons, but this has been coming for years. The Radical Right saw that the nation was ripe for the picking, and they seized the opportunity. This will be a pivotal point in history, we are going to test exactly how durable our little American experiment in democracy really is.
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