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You do not want Grayson. He was my congressman. I even voted for him and immediately regretted it. There's something wrong with him. His "cojones" are warped. He is the only congressman whose constituents started a website, "www.mycongressmanisnuts." He had to bow out for a while because there is truly something wrong with him, and it caught up to him. He ran again some years later and won, and appears to be a little more calmed down, but he is a ticking time bomb. I have no problem with someone who is a little more zealous, so to speak, but there is really, really, something wrong with him.
I disagree, most of the country isn't inline with the far left progressive agenda, hence part of the reason trump won, he tapped into the fly over states resentments about how things are going.
If the dems go further left, they most most certainly will lose in the 2020.
Back in 2011, in an interview with a Miami reporter, Obama, responding to teabagger charges that he was a socialist, said, "If this were the 1980's, I'd be considered a moderate Republican on economic issues." Actually, he'd be considered a conservative Republican from those days, since he's a moderate Republican in today's terms, and not just on economic issues.
Today, Democrats aren't "far left." In fact, they've been center-right ever since Carter. Sure, they might pay lip service to progressive issues like free college, but if that was truly the case, why didn't Obama persuade a Democratic-controlled Congress to make community colleges tuition free during his first two years? It's hard for corporatist Dems like Obama, Hillary, etc. to appeal to progressives values when they're already beholden to Goldman Sachs and the big money interests. Hillary didn't lose because she was some far left liberal, she lost because she was more of the same -- a corporate Democrat who would compromise with the right and offer no real change. If Bernie was the nominee, we'd be looking at a President Sanders right now.
It's the same exact thing Republicans give their base with the whole "low taxes while shrinking government." Spending always goes through the roof with GOP administrations and they sure as heck don't protect anyone's liberties (hell, it was George W. Bush who gave us the mass surveillance state).
The "Democratic" party is the other right-wing, and when they give us Republican clones, they lose.
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You do not want Grayson. He was my congressman. I even voted for him and immediately regretted it. There's something wrong with him. His "cojones" are warped. He is the only congressman whose constituents started a website, "www.mycongressmanisnuts." He had to bow out for a while because there is truly something wrong with him, and it caught up to him. He ran again some years later and won, and appears to be a little more calmed down, but he is a ticking time bomb. I have no problem with someone who is a little more zealous, so to speak, but there is really, really, something wrong with him.
Back in 2011, in an interview with a Miami reporter, Obama, responding to teabagger charges that he was a socialist, said, "If this were the 1980's, I'd be considered a moderate Republican on economic issues." Actually, he'd be considered a conservative Republican from those days, since he's a moderate Republican in today's terms, and not just on economic issues.
Democrats aren't moving "further left." In fact, just by looking at the Clinton and Obama presidencies, they've been center-right ever since Carter. Sure, they might pay lip service to progressive issues like free college, but if that was truly the case, why didn't Obama persuade a Democratic-controlled Congress to make community colleges tuition free during his first two years? It's hard for corporatist Democrats like Obama, Hillary, etc. to appeal to progressives when they're already beholden to Goldman Sachs and the big money interests.
It's the same exact thing Republicans give their base with the whole "low taxes while shrinking government." Spending always goes through the roof with GOP administrations and they sure as heck don't protect anyone's liberties (hell, it was George W. Bush who gave us the mass surveillance state).
The "Democratic" party is the other right-wing, and when they act like Republican clones, they lose.
Free and or very very low cost college was mentioned by Hiliary, that puts you more toward the progressive camp, granted she wasn't that far left, but when you start talking about free stuff like ol' Bernie, you're moving left.
I disagree, most of the country isn't inline with the far left progressive agenda, hence part of the reason trump won, he tapped into the fly over states resentments about how things are going.
If the dems go further left, they most most certainly will lose in the 2020.
You are referring to the left-right scale in terms of social policies and immigration only. Thats not the proper way to look at it.
New Deal democrats are what most rational people refer to as progressives. New Deal Democrats are generally very electable in "flyover" country and rural America. Thats why Sanders did so well among rural people and the midwest to begin with.
Clinton lost Arizona by 90,000 votes. Democrats will forever go after that state now.
McCain won Arizona by over 300,000 votes at the same time in his Senate race. It's still fundamentally a red state, but Trump ran a campaign that had little appeal to Hispanics and Mormons, both major constituencies there. The Great Lakes states are much more fertile ground for Democrats in most circumstances, and Trump's coalition there is less solid because it includes more swing voters and fewer strong conservatives than in the Sunbelt.
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