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View Poll Results: Which Democrat Would have Best Chance at Beating Trump in 2020 for President?
Elizabeth Warren 19 17.12%
Jason Kander 6 5.41%
Tim Kaine 5 4.50%
Tim Ryan 5 4.50%
Keith Ellison 6 5.41%
other (explain) 70 63.06%
Voters: 111. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-16-2017, 06:17 AM
 
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Seriously?

The man is intelligent, articulate, and he's not got any actual "scandals" attached to him.

What do you want from the Democrats? Saint Bernard?

I mean, I like him and all, but come on. There has to come a time when people realize that all this fringe politics is divisive.
You really should research his SLN days.
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Old 03-16-2017, 06:43 AM
 
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The current Democrat party is not capable of nominating a straight White male to lead its ticket.

In 2020, it will have been 16 years since it has done so.
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Old 03-16-2017, 08:23 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Take Al Franken...please.
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Old 03-16-2017, 09:37 AM
 
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You really should research his SLN days.
"What's in it for me"?
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Old 03-16-2017, 01:03 PM
 
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The current Democrat party is not capable of nominating a straight White male to lead its ticket.

In 2020, it will have been 16 years since it has done so.
It's so important to you that our nominee be white?

Beam me up Scotty.
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Old 03-16-2017, 01:14 PM
 
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It's so important to you that our nominee be white?

Beam me up Scotty.
It isn't but like a broken clock that poster is correct.

The democratic primaries have become bitter fights involving claims or racism and misogyny. The Clintons were attacked as racists, Bernie got torn apart for being a white male.

I mean, it's really not up for debate, they're going to go over every joke, comment, skit Franken ever made and use whatever they can find to attack him as being racist or anti-woman and that will make it hard for him to get through the primaries.

The RNC has their own garbage, just pointing out the strategies that were used heavily in 2008 and then again this year in 2016.
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Old 03-16-2017, 02:06 PM
 
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Candidate with military experience, against arming terrorist harboring nations, skilled in regards to foreign relations, less offense more defense in regards to the nilitary/clandestine operations, and less involvement with UN more diplomacy with other nations.

Focused on defeating ISIS with support from Middle Eastern nations as well. Open to accepting refugees and encouraging other ME nations to take refugees.

Less regulation with immigration and open borders. Increase number of border patrol agents do away with the Wall.

Expand the National Park Service. Increase funding to Government conservation programs. Protect habitats of endangered species in the US.

Continue to strive to protect the environment. Less Government oversight telling corporations how to run. Instead off fines via increase in taxes to those that have a poor track record in regards to environmental impact. Tax breaks to corporations that lessen their environmental impact.

Legalize marijuana and prostitution. Decriminalize various drugs.

Break up pharmaceutical monopolies and end medical patents. Less regulation with the FDA.

Create Healthcare reform similar to the Heakthy Americans Act with few tweaks. Supports universal mental health care and universal health care for individuals over 65.

Supports tariff on imported trade. Supports doing away with the IRS and creating a national tax. Creating a flat business tax. Eliminating most other taxes. National tax on marijuana, cigarettes, and alcohol; Exemptions be any US territories or Native American Reservation.

Abolish eminent domain and the death penalty.

End Government subsidies to market driven sectors such as the Energy business. Do away with Lobbyist in Congress.

Increase regulations on banks. Tax risky investments. Tax businesses on what they make yearly in the US not globally.

Increase funding to public housing, science/research development, art/music, and so forth.

Do away with the Energy Department, Education Deoartment, and so forth. Return rights back to the States.

Create a new Secretary position in regards to the Bureau of Indians Affairs becomes Department of Indian Affairs and Environmental Protection. Takes over such roles as:
Deputy Assistant Secretary for Policy and International Affairs
Office of Environmental Policy and Compliance
Office of International Affairs
Office of Native Hawaiian Relations
Office of Restoration and Damage Assessment
Office of Policy Analysis
Assistant Secretary for Indian Affairs
Deputy Assistant Secretary for Management
Office of the Chief Financial Officer (OCFO)
Office of the Chief Information Officer (OCIO)
Office of Human Capital Management (OHCM)
Office of Planning and Policy Analysis (OPPA)
Office of Facilities, Environmental and Cultural Resources (OFECR)
Deputy Assistant Secretary for Policy and Economic Development
Office of Indian Energy and Economic Development (IEED)
Office of Indian Gaming (OIG)
Office of Self-Governance (OSG)
Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA)
Office of Indian Services (OIS)
Office of Field Operations (OFO)
Office of Justice Services (OJS)
Office of Trust Services (OTS)
Bureau of Indian Education (BIE)

Do away with minimum wage replace with State created living wage.

Tax paid college education for two year college's that are public. Do away with financial aid. Work with banks to create flay fix rate loans. Establish 5 year deferment plan. Work with creating solution where money is automatically deducted from paycheck and adjusted accordingly to salary. Have 20 years to pay it back.

Reduce homelessness. Improve care house all homeless veterans. Bring back civilian job corp to offer homeless work and improve US infrastructure.

Pro 2nd Ammendment Rights.

That's the candidate I want.
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Old 03-16-2017, 02:26 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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LOL, reading this, I got confused. I couldn't figure out whether you were talking about the election 4 years from now, or the one we just had...?

Everyone said 2016 was the Democrats election to lose. They lost it.

Yeah, this was the strategy going in to the 2016 election too. All these "moderate" Republicans were going to vote for Hillary because they found Trump so unpalatable, and the Dems were sure to retake the Senate, maybe even the House, and win Red states like Texas that they haven't won in years...

How'd that work out for ya? LOL

You mean like... Hillary Clinton? LOL, you guys just did exactly what you're suggesting. The Dems plotted against Bernie, with the rationale that he was "too far left" and "couldn't appeal to moderate voters", and gave the nomination to a more traditional Democrat. The idea being that Trump was just horrible enough, and Hillary just moderate enough, that the Left, Center, and moderate Right would all vote for her, creating a winning coalition that would propel the Dems to victory.

...They got hammered.

One thing that absolutely will cost you another election in 4 years, is if you fail to not only learn from the mistakes of 2016, but repeat them.
2016 was the Democrats' election to lose and they did it by running one of the most corrupt, unlikable candidates in history. Virtually anybody other than Hillary would have creamed Trump. A lot of people knew it from the beginning. I knew during the primary season that the only way to prevent a Trump Presidency was to nominate Bernie Sanders.

Had Republicans had nominated a serious, likable candidate vs Hillary, they could have easily picked up Minnesota, New Hampshire, Colorado, and maybe Virginia.

Hillary was a death sentence for the Dems from Day One. It's time to move on.
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Old 03-16-2017, 04:02 PM
 
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Donald Trump is probably the most hated President in over a century. This is the Democrats' time to start regrouping to take back Congress in 2018 and make Trump a one-term President in 2020. Democrats need to get over the 2016 election, get over Hillary Clinton, and start looking ahead. Democrats also know what works and what doesn't work. Obama and Sanders excited their base. Hillary Clinton was a big yawn and didn't have a lot of enthusiastic support. Democrats need to groom somebody of the Obama mold, who can unite the center and the left and get the vote out, to kick Donald Trump out in 2020. Barring some sort of miraculous and unlikely turnaround for Trump's Presidency, the 2020 election will b the Democrats' election to lose.

Democrats also have the opportunity here to nominate somebody who can win over some Republican voters who might be open to voting Democrats "just one time" to get rid of Trump. This largely depends on if Trump has serious primary competition in 2020 which is very possible. However, it's for this reason the Democrats shouldn't nominate somebody too far left. They need to nominate somebody center-left who can possibly also appeal to the center right, and do it in a charismatic energizing way.

Nominating Hillary again or somebody like her is a sure way to an 8-year Trump presidency.

I'm guessing that Trump is likely the most hated President of all time.

Some news show mentioned a Democratic conference where aspiring candidates tend to go, and they mentioned a few names.
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Old 03-16-2017, 05:33 PM
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Location: Suburban Dallas
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He's also thinking of having Jill Stein as his running mate.

Franken-Stein 2020!
Yeah, it would be Frankenstein because they both hate America. And anyone who hates this country does not deserve to lead us.

Period.
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